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« on: June 07, 2011, 05:08:12 AM »
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  • I haven't been posting for a while but a few months back I posted my little docuмentary on the election of Cardinal Siri. For those of you that watched you saw that the movie covered much more than just the evidence that Cardinal Siri was elected.

    Anyway, I had 100 DVDs made up for no particular reason. I went and picked up the movie last Friday just in time for the local Artwalk Festival. During the festival several blocks downtown are closed off and anyone with 100 bucks can get a booth to sell their art. I had not planned to sell them there.
     
    So I spent two days sitting at a table selling my flic Papal Imposters. I have to admit I felt pretty awkward at first, especially since I had no time to work on my display, but two hours in I made my first sale. Then I sold a few more and also got a bit of a chance to tell people about traditional Catholicism. At the end of the first day I sold 4 movies at $10 a pop, 6 or 7 other folks had taken a summary of the movie and said they would think about it. Some very poor looking people were asking about the film and thinking back now I should have just gave them a copy or sold them at cost about $3. I was there from 11am to 4pm.

    The next day I brought along my Father Steadman's Missal and kept it in my pocket. Some older ladies who inquired about the movie where very surprised when I brought out the old missal "I haven't seen one of those in ages" was what I tended to hear. This day I sold 5 copies. Again I was there for about 5 hours.

    The town where I was selling them has about 60,000 people, no traditional parishes and I think 5 or 6 NO parishes.

    Most of my sales where to males between 35 to 55 however many women inquired. The women tended to say that they would come back but didn't, one of these I offered the film for half and she bought it.

    Anyone who wants the film feel free to PM me. You can print up copies and sell them just like I did. I wouldn't do it for the money because you'll be lucky to break even but I met a lot of nice/interesting people, some other independent filmakers introduced themselves to me as well. 3 people tried to convert me, 2 to protestantism and one to the Orthodox Church. Oh, and I got lots of sneers from self-professed atheists.

    In case you missed the film here it is on youtube

    Part 1 Historical Precedents  
    Part 2 October 1958  
    Part 3 The Chosen Candidate  
    Part 4 The 1958 Conclave  
    Part 5 Who was John XXIII?  
    Part 6 The 1963 Conclave  
    Part 7 Who was Paul VI?  
    Part 8 The Destruiction of the Mass  
    Part 9 Year of Two Conclaves  
    Part 10 Cardinal Siri Confronted  
    Part 11 Conclusion  
    Part 12 The UndergroundChurch  






    Offline Elizabeth

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    « Reply #1 on: June 07, 2011, 10:45:01 AM »
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  • Next time you should give them away, or sell for $1.00.  :laugh1:  (the Dimonds had success with this method  :laugh1:)

    Best of luck with your endeavors.  I'll have a look at your work.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 07, 2011, 12:06:56 PM »
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  • Make sure you watch part four, there is rare footage of the famous white smoke coming from the Sistine Chapel 2 days before Roncalli showed up on the balcony.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 07, 2011, 12:38:14 PM »
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  • Thursday,

    Have you ever successfully contacted "Paul Williams?" I've tried so many times to do this, but he never returns my calls, and he never replies to my emails. I've been trying to get a hold of him for quite a few years. I think it was a mistake to include his book in this docuмentary, because he is not being cooperative to disseminating where he got the information, giving VERY CRAPPY references to his "findings" through the Department of State docuмents. I've had the National Archives investigate this, and two people have gone down there to look at the boxes supposedly containing this information, and such information does not exist.

    Until this can be properly verified, I think it was not a good idea to put this into your videos. This guy gives unreliable references in his book that lead NOWHERE when investigated thoroughly.

    Where is this "Department of State secret dispatch 'John XXIII'  issue date: November 20, 1958"? Where is it? Have you seen it? Can you find it? I wouldn't even cite that unless I saw this so-called "secret dispatch" myself.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #4 on: June 07, 2011, 01:04:00 PM »
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  • I think I mentioned it here before but I put him because of his stature, the book was published by a major company and he would have been open to lawsuits if he couldn't back what he was saying.

    There could be many reasons why he would not respond to e-mails. I know that just because a docuмent has been declassified doesn't mean just anybody can get access to it. Also the guy is pretty anti-Catholic so I wonder how keen he is on helping us out. Julian Assange is a good example of what people who leak docuмents have to deal with.

    But, yes, we do not know for sure if he is telling the truth and it would be nice if would respond to questions.

    There was another priest by the name of Fr. Charles-roux who said claimed that Siri was elected and cast aside without actually abdicating. I did fail to mention this.



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    « Reply #5 on: June 07, 2011, 01:11:29 PM »
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  • Thursday,

    I even put in FOIA requests to the State Department regarding the docuмents he supposedly cited here, and there was absolutely nothing. They would have had to release them because of this law, if they were indeed, declassified. I really think he's a very unreliable source. I also put in FOIA requests to the National Archives after I was told by the State Department that they didn't have docuмents that old. I even had someone go to Maryland to the State Department Archives, and nothing too.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #6 on: June 07, 2011, 01:29:15 PM »
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  • Wish we lived closer Thursday... I'll sit with you at a booth any day... This is something I need to be doing more of!

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    « Reply #7 on: June 07, 2011, 01:29:16 PM »
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  • I was thinking of asking this guy about it.

    http://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/foia



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    « Reply #8 on: June 07, 2011, 02:04:34 PM »
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  • You should have included Father Villa's extensive collection on Paul VI as references when they attempted to canonize him. One single book was enough to stop the process completely, "Paul VI beatified?"

    Also, Fr. Khoat is very much unbelievable. His credibility is totally shot, and I really don't believe his story at all. There is a lot of monkey business that went on with him. The priest at my Church knew who he was, and looked into the very same things that Khoat looked into, with totally different results.

    The guy following Fr. Khoat (Hobson, who has been banned from this website numerous times for being a pathological liar, and a horrible detractor, ) and his so-called "hierarchy in exile" is completely devoid of credibility from the slanderous attacks that have been made by Hobson. He promised two years ago that the "evidence" he supposedly received from the National Archives (thanks to me, by the way) would be disseminated in the "fourth quarter of this year" which was two years ago now, and no one has seen anything. I've received 3 docuмents that reveal things that we've already been aware of, but nothing of any proof or substance regarding the election.

    From John Venarri:

    "Cardinal Siri participated in the Second Vatican Council, which was called, if the Siri Thesis is correct, by a Holy Father who was neither Holy nor the Church’s Father. Siri accepted the decisions of Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition. He adopted the reforms, celebrated the Novus Ordo Mass, ordained priests in the New Rite, and consecrated bishops in the New Rite. Why would Pope Gregory XVII adopt sacraments and liturgical re-forms enacted by men whom he knew were false Popes? What sort of man does “our last true Pope” turn out to be?"

    So, why, if he were such a staunch traditionalist, would he even entertain the idea of "celebrating" the Novus Ordo?

    And, the final question, is who is pope now, if Siri was elected and is dead now? Does anyone have the answer to that question? People that claim that Siri was the pope come up saying, "Infallible Church teaching says that every human person needs to be subject to the Roman Pontiff" for salvation, and so, where is this mysterious pope that we must submit to?
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #9 on: June 07, 2011, 02:05:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Thursday
    I was thinking of asking this guy about it.

    http://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/foia



    Do it.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #10 on: June 07, 2011, 03:02:45 PM »
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    I was thinking of asking this guy about it.

    http://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/foia



    Do it.


    And perhaps you should make your own movie since you are such an expert.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 07, 2011, 04:52:25 PM »
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    I was thinking of asking this guy about it.

    http://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/foia



    Do it.


    And perhaps you should make your own movie since you are such an expert.


    I don't know how to do any of that. I am no expert. I just want to know the truth, and I have been actively seeking it out for a long time. I spent months and months on this stuff. I wanted to find out the source of the docuмent that "Paul Williams" cited, and I couldn't ever find anything despite my best efforts. I even was going to take a trip to the National Archives, but I was too pregnant to do so when the opportunity arose. About a year after the first person went over there to check it out (because THAT PERSON wouldn't share his information with me even though he promised to do so), a SECOND person went over there to check it out, and even paid close to $1200 for an archivist to do some research for him since HE has a family to take care of... and the archivist found the same three docuмents I was sent that really basically said nothing and provided no proof, and certainly neither the proof we were looking for, nor anything close to anything other than hearsay.

    I know that a lot of the stuff in the videos you did is absolutely true but as far proving most of that, with hard evidence, is becoming less and less of a probability with each passing day.

    What would be extremely interesting, since you're apt at putting videos together, would be to get in contact with Father Luigi Villa, and try to get him to provide the things he's found out regarding this issue, because I'm sure in the position he is in, he could give you a wealth of information. He's 93 years old, so time is ticking away on that prospect.

    Here's a link to his contact information if you want to talk to him:

    http://chiesaviva.com/contatti.htm

    I appreciate the work that you've already done, and hope you can get some concrete docuмents together to prove absolutely what you're saying is backed up by 100% fact. It's hard to refute when you have hard evidence, and that's something I haven't been able to find regarding this issue.

    God bless you.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #12 on: June 07, 2011, 07:45:52 PM »
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  • He would be a good person to contact, in fact I think I tried to contact them at some point but received no reply.

    In this docuмent, which was written about Fr. Villa on page 11 there is a picture of Cardinal Siri, under the picture it says that he was elected in 1963 and in 1978.
    http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/uploads/Chi___don_Villa_OK_en.pdf

    As far as finding absolute proof as in an FBI docuмent I don't think that is possible or necessary. For one, even if there was an FBI file the usual folks would find reasons to dismiss it.

    If there was an FBI file my guess it was Cardinal Spellman, archbishop of New York who was the source. He was very good friends with secretary of state John Foster Dulles and with J Edgar Hoover, head of the FBI. John Foster Dulles if you look into his family background, they have been subverting major religious institutions for the last 200 years.

    The circuмstantial evidence is there however, we had a pope and a church up until the death of Pius XII. 3 weeks later we had a pope calling councils, changing masses and inviting communist over to the Vatican. Between these 2 eras we had 5 minutes of white smoke and a no-show on the balcony. IMO you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out the real pope was elected then.

    As to who was elected, all the arrows point to Siri. He was widely expected to become Pope. Several Priest and an intelligence expert claim he was elected. He admitted he was elected pope twice. He called Vatican II the greatest mistake in history, he said it would take the Church 50 years to recover from John xxiiis PONTIFICATE, in the front page of the newspaper the day before the 1978 conclave he said if he became pope he would turn back the clock to before the council.

    You or John Vennari are in no position to judge what he should or shouldn't have done after his election, there is no way of knowing for us on the outside what was really going in the inner circles of power or what his options were.

    How do you know he wasn't just keeping a low profile until the enemy started to run out of gas, like they are doing now. He said it would take 50 years to recover. There is a pretty good chance he knew what he was doing.

    Anyway, sorry for being snotty in my earlier post.

    God bless you too.


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    « Reply #13 on: June 07, 2011, 09:11:14 PM »
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    You or John Vennari are in no position to judge what he should or shouldn't have done after his election, there is no way of knowing for us on the outside what was really going in the inner circles of power or what his options were.

    How do you know he wasn't just keeping a low profile until the enemy started to run out of gas, like they are doing now. He said it would take 50 years to recover. There is a pretty good chance he knew what he was doing.

    Anyway, sorry for being snotty in my earlier post.

    God bless you too.



    I'm not judging what he should or shouldn't have done. I'm saying I don't know what the solution to this problem is, and I'm going to leave it up to the Church to figure it out. The restoration is GOING to take place at some point, even if Saint Paul and Saint Peter come down here and shine a heavenly light down on the one who is supposed to be pope (which is supposed to happen at some point, according to private revelation.)

    People ask me if I'm a sede. No, I am not. I follow all of the real popes up to this time, whoever they are, the perennial teachings of the Church which cannot change no matter who is pope, and the 200 something successors of Saint Peter that are still currently reigning now. Cardinal Siri might well have been the pope, but he never publicly came out and said he was or not, and did not compel any of the faithful in a public way to obey him, and so, how can I be compelled to obey someone that neither asserted his authority, nor publicly compelled us to believe the fact that he held the office in a public way?

    The Church will figure this out, and in the meantime, I'm just going to wait until that happens. There's nothing I can personally do about the situation, but pray that this horrible time comes to an expedient end.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #14 on: June 08, 2011, 05:03:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    There's nothing I can personally do about the situation, but pray that this horrible time comes to an expedient end.


    Which does not mean that we cannot continue to do research on the matter.