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Offline Incredulous

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Remember the Cristeros War!
« on: June 21, 2020, 04:43:14 PM »
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  • Catholics today need to be reminded of the bravest Catholics in the Americas.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Remember the Cristeros War!
    « Reply #1 on: June 21, 2020, 07:32:14 PM »
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  • Coincidentally I watched For Greater Glory last night.  Needed the reminder and inspiration
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    Re: Remember the Cristeros War!
    « Reply #2 on: June 21, 2020, 08:34:02 PM »
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  • Is it true or is it a lie that the Cristeros chose a godless mercenary for their General?

    In the video, titled

        Behind the scenes of "For Greater Glory: The True Story of the Cristiada"

    they say that

      "this period of Mexican history has been basically wiped away from the Mexican history books" (1:03)

    But they don't reveal how then can they tell "The True Story of the Cristiada"?


    Anyone any info about the makers? Can they be trusted?
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    Re: Remember the Cristeros War!
    « Reply #3 on: June 21, 2020, 08:58:23 PM »
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  • The story in the film is oversimplificated for the viewers to get a general idea of the conflict. In the early 70's a French historian Jean Meyer wrote his thesis about it. At that time he had the chance to personally interview survivors from all sides. He was so impressed that he took the Mexican nationality and stil lives in Mexico City. I don't know if his work, La Cristiada, is available in English. It's a good source of information for people who want to know more.
    In regards to General Gorostieta, while it is true he was not a practicing Catholic, it was not uncommon for men like him to have Catholic wives and children. He eventually converted. Even freemasons were known for asking for priests in their death beds.


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    Re: Remember the Cristeros War!
    « Reply #4 on: June 21, 2020, 09:19:59 PM »
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  • Is it true or is it a lie that the Cristeros chose a godless mercenary for their General? (baptized Catholics who live in a Catholic culture, cultural Catholics, can return to the faith in one second. General Franco did the same in Spain. To what level he was not a perfect Catholic depends on the observers' Catholicism, as you certainly know.  The same thing happened to me, I was a body building athlete chasing 20 year old girls on the beach at 40, and then one day I changed completely almost overnight from hearing of the injustices being done to the old people by the Novus Ordo priests, like not giving them communion unless they stood and received in the hands, or telling them that they had to shake hands and hug at the "handshake of peace" and such. I started going to mass just to see what priest would deny me communion when I would go up the single line and kneel on the floor and receive on the tongue. Not a priest ever said anything to me. I was the one that went to talk to the diocese bishop to get the Latin Mass for all these old people that had been rejected the request for years. And of course, it was given to me. Although what I did pales in comparison to the Cristeros, and their General, I hope you can see my point, the same thing would have happened to all the Cristeros. The general was no mercenary, he was a retired professional soldier, it was the enemy that called him a mercenary.  )

    In the video, titled

        Behind the scenes of "For Greater Glory: The True Story of the Cristiada"

    they say that

      "this period of Mexican history has been basically wiped away from the Mexican history books" (1:03)

    But they don't reveal how then can they tell "The True Story of the Cristiada"? (history can't be totally wiped out in such a short time. there are too many people who were there. It is like wiping out the history of what Germany went through in WWI and the collapse of the economy thereafter. )


    Anyone any info about the makers? Can they be trusted? (the maker is Andy Garcia, the main actor , the General. It was I who maybe opened his eyes in an email that the Cristeros story would make a good movie. I say maybe because I do not know if he ever saw my email directly. We went to high school together and he knew me well. The history is all there for anyone that wants to study it. In the end it is just a Hollywood movie, and the important things are never said, like the most important, that the Cristeros lost because they were fighting the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, they are the elite capitalists who control the Freemasons, the communists, Socialism, Fabian Socialists and even the Fascists, the same as financed the Bolsheviks and every other revolution since then.)
    My response in red.
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    Re: Remember the Cristeros War!
    « Reply #5 on: June 21, 2020, 09:21:46 PM »
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  • The story in the film is oversimplificated for the viewers to get a general idea of the conflict. In the early 70's a French historian Jean Meyer wrote his thesis about it. At that time he had the chance to personally interview survivors from all sides. He was so impressed that he took the Mexican nationality and stil lives in Mexico City. I don't know if his work, La Cristiada, is available in English. It's a good source of information for people who want to know more.
    In regards to General Gorostieta, while it is true he was not a practicing Catholic, it was not uncommon for men like him to have Catholic wives and children. He eventually converted. Even freemasons were known for asking for priests in their death beds.


    Thank you, MiserereMei.

    On amazon.com they got it: "La Cristiada: The Mexican People's War for Religious Liberty"


    What a joke! (Part of) the Mexican people fought for the freedom of the Church and not for "Religious Liberty". And it was "The Mexican Freemasons War against the Church".
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    Re: Remember the Cristeros War!
    « Reply #6 on: June 21, 2020, 09:27:04 PM »
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  • In the end it is just a Hollywood movie, and the important things are never said, like the most important, that the Cristeros lost because they were fighting the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, they are the elite capitalists who control the Freemasons, the communists, Socialism, Fabian Socialists and even the Fascists, the same as financed the Bolsheviks and every other revolution since then.

    That's what I thought. In the end it is just a Jєωιѕн-masonic movie.
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)

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    Re: Remember the Cristeros War!
    « Reply #7 on: June 21, 2020, 09:30:28 PM »
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    ( In the end it is just a Hollywood movie, and the important things are never said, like the most important, that the Cristeros lost because they were fighting the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, they are the elite capitalists who control the Freemasons, the communists, Socialism, Fabian Socialists and even the Fascists, the same as financed the Bolsheviks and every other revolution since then.)
    Think about it, had the pope consecrated Russia as Our Lady asked, the Cristeros and  a just Germany and their allies (Catholic countries)  would never had attacked France, England and Poland, and would have defeated the Bolsheviks and easily freed the Russian people. Germany and Italy did save Spain from the Bolsheviks, the only victory against the communists to date.
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    Re: Remember the Cristeros War!
    « Reply #8 on: June 21, 2020, 09:35:59 PM »
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  • That's what I thought. In the end it is just a Jєωιѕн-masonic movie.
    It is, but they can't control everything, things get through, here and there. Andy Garcia is their employee, but so were Hitler and Stalin and they turned on their NWO financiers. Unfortunately, Hitler and Stalin were godless, so just another side of the same City of Man.
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    Re: Remember the Cristeros War!
    « Reply #9 on: June 21, 2020, 09:58:14 PM »
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  • Cristeros song by Fr Campbell


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    Re: Remember the Cristeros War!
    « Reply #10 on: June 21, 2020, 10:04:11 PM »
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  • It is, but they can't control everything, things get through, here and there. Andy Garcia is their employee, but so were Hitler and Stalin and they turned on their NWO financiers. Unfortunately, Hitler and Stalin were godless, so just another side of the same City of Man.

    They twist truth and history. It was a war of the Mexican Freemasons to destroy the Church, while they sell it as a war of the Cristeros for the heresy of "Religious Liberty".

    And it was neither Stalin's nor Hitler's fault! And Hitler may have been somewhat clownish, but he was not godless! He was a Catholic, spoke of Divine providence, and didn't mean the God of Trump's Rabbis. The Church supported Hitler's fight for the Christian Occident against the godless bolsheviks. This is confirmed even by the antichrist German Bishops' Conference, who apart from that is twisting truth and history, too.



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    Re: Remember the Cristeros War!
    « Reply #11 on: June 21, 2020, 10:43:03 PM »
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  • They twist truth and history. It was a war of the Mexican Freemasons to destroy the Church, while they sell it as a war of the Cristeros for the heresy of "Religious Liberty".

    And it was neither Stalin's nor Hitler's fault! And Hitler may have been somewhat clownish, but he was not godless! He was a Catholic, spoke of Divine providence, and didn't mean the God of Trump's Rabbis. The Church supported Hitler's fight for the Christian Occident against the godless bolsheviks. This is confirmed even by the antichrist German Bishops' Conference, who apart from that is twisting truth and history, too.

    I agree that the movie made compromises in the true story, but it did give a good representation of Catholics fighting and dying for the Faith.

    As usual, the true story is too much to bear.

    It includes betrayals within the Catholic Church of Mexican Bishops, Vatican infiltrators on up to the Seat of Peter.   Pope Pius XI extracted a fake peace and ordered the Cristeros to stand down, after which, they were slaughtered by Calles,

    Calles is described in his Wiki history (before it was cleansed) as a "bastard son of a Sephardic Jєω".  
    Before his election as president, he was sent to England for his communist training to destroy Catholicism in Mexico.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Remember the Cristeros War!
    « Reply #12 on: June 21, 2020, 11:03:12 PM »
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  • Hitler may have been somewhat clownish, but he was not godless! He was a Catholic, spoke of Divine providence..... The Church supported Hitler's fight for the Christian Occident against the godless bolsheviks. This is confirmed even by the antichrist German Bishops' Conference, who apart from that is twisting truth and history, too.
    What I said before about the Cristero General also applies to Hitler "To what level he was not a perfect Catholic depends on the observers' Catholicism".

    It would appear by what you wrote, that Hitler was a Catholic, that your standards for being called a perfect Catholic is just baptism. My standards for calling someone a perfect Catholic  is that they are a traditionalist Catholic that live the faith. Hitler shacked up with Eva Braun and he annihilated the Polish  and other Catholics and anti-communists. Hitler was just a baptized Catholic, and that's it, that means nothing, Judas was also a baptized  Catholic.

    By the way, Pius XII almost totally sided with and aided the Americans and English, the history is clear on that. He certainly did not support Hitler's attack upon the Polish and later France. It was Pius XII who taught American Catholics that it was OK to fight on the side of Protestants, Masons, and Bolsheviks (the Allies).WWII was totally a war between the powers of the City of Man.
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    Re: Remember the Cristeros War!
    « Reply #13 on: June 23, 2020, 10:33:38 AM »
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  • May God bless all of you who have contributed to this thread. It makes me very happy to see people remember the Cristeros.

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  • I agree that the movie made compromises in the true story, but it did give a good representation of Catholics fighting and dying for the Faith.

    As usual, the true story is too much to bear.

    It includes betrayals within the Catholic Church of Mexican Bishops, Vatican infiltrators on up to the Seat of Peter.   Pope Pius XI extracted a fake peace and ordered the Cristeros to stand down, after which, they were slaughtered by Calles,

    Calles is described in his Wiki history (before it was cleansed) as a "bastard son of a Sephardic Jєω".  
    Before his election as president, he was sent to England for his communist training to destroy Catholicism in Mexico.

    Calles was a Freemason. Porfirio Díaz was a Freemason. Francisco Madero was a freemason. Huerta was a freemason but I think he went against them. Ricardo Flores Magón was a freemason. Obregón was a mason. Lázaro Cárdenas was a freemason. I'm not sure if Carranza was a freemason. Okay I just checked. Carranza was a mason.
    I mention the names because Calles emerged from that period of the Mexican Revolution and if you study it..... it's masons versus masons versus masons versus masons... and then the winner is masons. I think the people should have stuck with Porfirio Díaz.

    What's funny to me in a sad way is it reminds me of what's happening in the US now. I think it looks like we're about to see another elite-backed revolution right here in the US.