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Khartoum, Sudan (CNN) -- A Sudanese woman sentenced to death for refusing to renounce her Christian faith is unlikely to change her mind, her husband says.
Meriam Yehya Ibrahim was condemned to die by hanging after she declined to profess she is a Muslim, the religion of her father. Sharia law considers her a Muslim and does not recognize her marriage to a Christian
The court convicted Ibrahim of apostasy, or the renunciation of faith, and adultery two weeks ago. At the time, she was eight months' pregnant. She gave birth to a baby girl this week at a Khartoum prison, where she's detained with Martin, her 20-month-old son.
Despite languishing in prison with two infants, she's holding firm to her beliefs, according to her husband, Daniel Wani, an American citizen who is also a Christian.
"There is pressure on her from Muslim religious leaders that she should return to the faith," Wani told CNN in a TV exclusive. "She said, 'How can I return when I never was a Muslim? Yes, my father was a Muslim, but I was brought up by my mother.' "
 Christian sentenced to death Will Sudan execute jailed young mother? Husband: All I can do is pray
Wani said his wife is a practicing Christian, more so than him, and even had their son baptized.
"I know my wife. She's committed," he said. "Even last week, they brought in sheikhs and she told them, 'I'm pretty sure I'm not going to change my mind.' "
Wani said he is thrilled about his new daughter but hopes her birth doesn't hasten his wife's death sentence.
In past cases involving pregnant or nursing women, Sudan waited until the mother had weaned her child before executing any sentence. Sharia law as practiced in Sudan prohibits carrying out the death sentence on an expectant woman until two years after she gives birth.
CNN has sought comment from the Sudanese government and was directed to the Justice Ministry. Subsequently, a CNN request for an interview was denied, and CNN was told the justice minister does not comment on matters before the court as a final judgment has not yet been issued in this case. An attempt to contact Sudan's foreign affairs minister for comment was unsuccessful.
Woman raised as Christian, husband says
Ibrahim, 27, was arrested after Muslim relatives accused her of renouncing her religion.
Their complaint alleged that she went missing for years, and her family was shocked to find out she married a Christian, according to her attorney, Mohamed Jar Elnabi.
Wani said he'd never met the relatives who made the accusations. His wife, he said, was raised a Christian by her mother, an Ethiopian Orthodox, after her Muslim father deserted the family when Ibrahim was 6.
"These people filed charges claiming that she was their sister and filed a police report saying that she had disappeared," he said.
At first, Ibrahim was charged with adultery for marrying a Christian. The apostasy accusation was added after she maintained she was a Christian, according to her husband.
"The police originally called for the case to be dismissed, but these people went back and added another charge ... which is adultery, by saying she was their sister and a Muslim. It is illegal for a Muslim woman to marry a Christian man, therefore we were brought before the court."
She's been detained since January 17, he said. In addition to the emotional turmoil resulting from the conviction, the couple also have to worry about their children, Wani said.
"An illegitimate marriage does not result in legally recognized offspring, which means that my son and the new baby are no longer mine," he said.
Wani's physical condition makes the ordeal even harder. He uses a wheelchair and "totally depends" on Ibrahim, according to her lawyer.
"He cannot live without her," he said.
Wani said he's not been allowed to visit his detained family as much since the apostasy charge was added.
"She's in a bad mood," he said of his wife. "She's frustrated."
More punishment
In addition to the death sentence, the court sentenced Ibrahim to 100 lashes for the adultery conviction.
To avoid this fate, all she had to do was recant her Christian faith.
The court had warned her to renounce her Christianity by May 15, but she has steadfastly maintained she is a Christian and will remain so.
Sudanese Parliament speaker Fatih Izz Al-Deen said claims that she was raised as a non-Muslim were untrue.
She was raised in an Islamic environment, and her brother, a Muslim, filed the complaint against her, according to Al-Deen.
'I'll stand by her'
Wani said he was optimistic the appeal their lawyers have filed would lead to the court's ruling being overturned.
"I'm hoping that, given the way people have come together around the world -- which I want to thank them for," he said.
"All the rights groups, all the broadcasters ... It's looking like it had an effect. Perhaps it will result in the judgment being overturned."
But until it's done, the mother of his children has his support.
"I'm standing by her to end. Whatever she wants, I'll stand by her," he said.
Worldwide condemnation
Rights groups and foreign embassies worldwide have condemned the verdict. The ruling also created shock waves in Sudan, where activists are defying the government and criticizing what they consider an overly harsh implementation and interpretation of Islam
"The fact that a woman could be sentenced to death for her religious choice, and to flogging for being married to a man of an allegedly different religion, is abhorrent and should never be even considered," said Manar Idriss, Amnesty International's Sudan researcher.
Foreign embassies in Khartoum, including those of the United States, United Kingdom and Canada, urged the Sudanese government to reverse course.
There's no timetable on when the judicial process will be over, but the couple isn't giving up. The appeals court's ruling could come within the next week, their attorney says.
Until then, they're grasping at small signs of hope. The last time Sudan executed someone for apostasy was in 1985 when a man criticized the implementation of Sharia law.
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2014, 01:32:39 PM »
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  • It's obvious to anyone with his eyes open that Islam was created by the devil.
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    Religion of Peace my butt - woman faces death for leaving Muslim faith
    « Reply #2 on: May 30, 2014, 02:17:14 PM »
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  • Killing people for leaving the religion isn't exclusive to Islam. Heretics used to be killed with the approval of the Church which is similar to the Muslims killing people who convert to other religions. But I agree that Islam is from the devil. I personally think Mohammed was possessed by demons.

    P.S. Islam is not the religion of peace. It is the religion of ѕυιcιdє bombers.
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    « Reply #3 on: May 30, 2014, 04:31:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    Killing people for leaving the religion isn't exclusive to Islam. Heretics used to be killed with the approval of the Church which is similar to the Muslims killing people who convert to other religions. But I agree that Islam is from the devil. I personally think Mohammed was possessed by demons.

    P.S. Islam is not the religion of peace. It is the religion of ѕυιcιdє bombers.


    Msgr. Perez describes the testimony of a priest he knows who was involved in an exorcism.  As I recall the other priest was the exorcist.  He demanded of the demon during the process (at the appropriate time), what his name is, and the demon replied, "My name is Allah."  

    Therefore, the exorcist demanded that this possessing demon named "Allah" would give him some manner of evidence of his effects on people at large.  The demon replied that he promises to show this evidence to the exorcist at the priest's command in the future.  Some days later, the priest was in a public place in a Mohammedan country (somewhere like Saudi Arabia or Indonesia, but I don't recall specifically).  He was looking at a large crowd of people walking about, left and right (so it probably wasn't in Mecca!), and the priest commanded the demon "Allah" to show him his effects on all these people walking to and fro.  At that very instant, ALL THE PEOPLE IN SIGHT, with very few exceptions, STOPPED walking, TURNED TO LOOK AT THE PRIEST for a moment, and then turned back as before and continued to walk as they had been before the priest had uttered his command to the devil.

    Msgr. told us we could share this story.  So I'm sharing it with his permission.

    You see, Matto, there is a difference between killing objective infidel or heretics, and killing those who refuse to become heretics or apostates.  The latter is the work of the devil.

    To a Moslem (that's right, I did not say muslim), an 'infidel' is someone who isn't a follower of their own false religion, Mohammedism.  But that is only their subjective reality.  Because a Catholic, who does not follow their false religion is not an infidel in the mind of God.  

    Perhaps he is in the mind of Allah;  But Allah is a devil.

    Are you beginning to understand?

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    « Reply #4 on: May 31, 2014, 11:48:16 AM »
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  • I agree with the dark view of Islam above, but with 1 objection to the vocabulary:

    Out of respect for the religious terminology of Christianity that's derived directly from the Latin of Roman Catholicism, the word describing rejection of, or departure from, Mohammedanism or Mohammedism, as a specific religion, ought not be "infidel "--nor even translated by the latter word--it having been derived from Latin.
    •    It strikes me as an example of indifferentism for Catholics to use the same word for someone being apart from the true religion as for someone being apart from a violent false religion.

      So I recommend using "kāfir " (plural "kuffār ") instead: the religious term meaning "unbeliever(s)" that's directly from Arabic.  By being from the dominant literary language of Islam, it seems safe to infer that the word is  specific to being apart from Mohammedanism or Mohammedism).


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    Note *: Privative prefix "in-" + "fidēlis" (plural "fidēles"), meaning "faithful", thus its compound meaning "unfaithful".  I freely confess to having a pet peeve about (i.e.: opposed to) the loss of usefully distinctive meanings of words as the result of persistent popular misuse.

    Note #: Centuries ago, at least a few useful Arabic phrases were indirectly adopted as English words; 1 more Arabic word certainly shouldn't be a burden.  Besides which, "kāfir" has only 2 syllables, and is unambiguous in English even if misspelled (e.g.: too many or too few 'f').  Basic linguistic details are from the admittedly problematic Wikipedia Web page "Muslim and Non-Muslim relations regarding Kafir".  Sec. 5 in <http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir>.  Cf. Auguste Boudinhon 1910: "Infidels".  Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. 8. <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08002b.htm> (altho' Boudinhon doesn't make my argument that's based on "indifferentism").


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    « Reply #5 on: May 31, 2014, 12:00:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    Killing people for leaving the religion isn't exclusive to Islam. Heretics used to be killed with the approval of the Church which is similar to the Muslims killing people who convert to other religions. But I agree that Islam is from the devil. I personally think Mohammed was possessed by demons.

    P.S. Islam is not the religion of peace. It is the religion of ѕυιcιdє bombers.


    What you need to do is back this up with a source- you need to provide dates and the number of people killed with the approval of the Church.

    You could start with this article:

    125,000 persons were investigated by the Spanish Inquisition, of which 1.8% were executed.
    LINK

    So, that puts the number of people killed by the inquisition at less than a couple thousand.

    I bet a tool like you probably thinks the number of people killed runs into the hundreds of thousands if not millions.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 31, 2014, 12:04:53 PM »
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  • And by the way, Muhamed himself said he was possessed by the devil and this is a long standing traditional belief- Salmon Rushdie wrote about it and that is why he was sentenced to death by Iran.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 31, 2014, 12:26:12 PM »
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    And by the way, Muhamed himself said he was possessed by the devil and this is a long standing traditional belief- Salmon Rushdie wrote about it and that is why he was sentenced to death by Iran.


    Salman Rushdie is also a left-wing author and Muslims describe his books as blasphemous (and I find them quite disgusting as well like his book Midnight's Children) so your point of using Rushdie in your favor is not going too well.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 31, 2014, 12:29:15 PM »
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    I bet a tool like you probably thinks the number of people killed runs into the hundreds of thousands if not millions.


    "Tool" or not Islam behaves quite like the Spain of the fifteenth century and less like America of today, with its secular, liberal and permissive democracy.

    Trying to say Islam is evil because it uses violence is like saying Communism is evil because it hates capitalism and democracy. Islam is inferior to Christianity because it is the wrong faith, nothing more, nothing less.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 31, 2014, 03:11:03 PM »
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    And by the way, Muhamed himself said he was possessed by the devil and this is a long standing traditional belief- Salmon Rushdie wrote about it and that is why he was sentenced to death by Iran.


    Salman Rushdie is also a left-wing author and Muslims describe his books as blasphemous (and I find them quite disgusting as well like his book Midnight's Children) so your point of using Rushdie in your favor is not going too well.


    Using Rushdie is not going well for you which is not saying much.

    It is almost a compliment.

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    « Reply #10 on: May 31, 2014, 03:13:03 PM »
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    I bet a tool like you probably thinks the number of people killed runs into the hundreds of thousands if not millions.


    "Tool" or not Islam behaves quite like the Spain of the fifteenth century and less like America of today, with its secular, liberal and permissive democracy.

    Trying to say Islam is evil because it uses violence is like saying Communism is evil because it hates capitalism and democracy. Islam is inferior to Christianity because it is the wrong faith, nothing more, nothing less.


    Nothing more nothing less ?

    You should try reflecting on comments like this a little more seriously, that is ridiculous at face value- nothing more, nothing less.


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    « Reply #11 on: May 31, 2014, 03:55:55 PM »
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    Nothing more nothing less ?

    You should try reflecting on comments like this a little more seriously, that is ridiculous at face value- nothing more, nothing less.


    Yes, since saying Islam is evil because it is violent is like saying Christianity was evil before it traded burning and beheading people for the milquetoast Christianity of today which is all about being kind and nice and tolerant towards everyone.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 31, 2014, 04:00:49 PM »
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    Using Rushdie is not going well for you which is not saying much.

    It is almost a compliment.


    Do you deny Rushdie is a vile author?

    Do you think Islam is wrong when it decries America's Hollywood values and our drugs, alcohol, abortions, blasphemous books, filthy magazines, dirty movies, hellish music, and feminism we try to force on the world?

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    « Reply #13 on: May 31, 2014, 06:35:08 PM »
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  • Mohammedans have absolutely no problem with abortion, or contraception for that matter.

    Blasphemous books? How about the Quran? The Quran is blasphemy and what's more the Mohammedans have been desecrating the Cross in every land they occupy for 1400 years.