Author Topic: Refuting Sabbatarians (Read 1367 times)

Pelly · « **on:** June 20, 2013, 01:18:59 PM »

Thanks to that Sabbatarian prophecy site, that site which made me to leave the NO but to fell into apostasy at the same time came into my mind. It's called Sabbath Covenant. The owner is Paul Sides.
He calls everyone to leave Christianity. He believes in the historical Jesus, but he prefers His original Name and supports the Talpiot Tomb because he is a neo-Jєω. He claims that the name "Jesus" is not valid and says that our perspective on Him is the Beast. I've found Bible misinterpretation on that site which is evident even for a Sabbatarian. He says that the Gospels were forged; and most of the Biblical narrative on Jesus were plagiarized from the myth of Horus - a blatant lie from the filthy movie Zeitgeist. Claims that the Trinity was borrowed from Paganism, and so on.
It would be easy to refute if he didn't post "proof" for his validity: he got a letter from a private mailing allegedly from the Illuminati here. I don't know whether the website specified on that page existed, as I found a squatter instead of a dark site. Please view it for me with Wayback Machine! I'm too scared to view it, as the mail contains Protestant assumptions about us.
I think that he degrades Jesus onto the level of an "ascended master" by saying that Jesus became the first Son of God and others can attain that level. He makes end-times predictions and proves them with his faulty interpretation of the Bible. He welcomed Third Temple building projects and the re-banding of Sanhedrin, the court which put Jesus to death. Also, I think that he believes in a sort of reincarnation as for the Second Coming.
Please refute that site and show me proof that the Illuminati site specified is a fake or nonexistent.
Also, a question: are Sabbatarians the puppets of Zionists and the Illuminati?

Frances · « **Reply #1 on:** June 20, 2013, 03:54:20 PM »

This is nonsense. Stay away from it! Before you go on-line, please pray the St. Michael prayer, the prayer to the Holy Ghost, and to Our Blessed Mother for discernment. MOST of what represents itself as the Truth, isn't!

Matto · « **Reply #2 on:** June 20, 2013, 03:58:23 PM »

Pelly, you go to the craziest websites full of insanity, think all of it is true and then ask us to go out of our way to also read your crazy websites to the peril of out faith so we can refute them for you. Why don't you just stop going to those crazy websites and leave all of us alone.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2013, 04:50:02 PM »

St. Clare of Assisi is considered the patroness of television because she was granted visions of Holy Mass when she was bedridden and unable to attend.

She is a powerful intercessor. Ask her to pray with and for you, that God the Holy Ghost would help you to shield your eyes, mind and heart from the wickedness and nonsense you keep wanting to wallow in.

If you're genuinely in spiritual trouble, drop whatever you're doing and go find a traditional priest.

If you're just posting these things to be a troll or to try to lead Catholics astray, be warned that you are in mortal sin and are hell-bound unless you repent.

Representing false gods and religions as true and/or encouraging others to read or view things that are opposed to Catholic dogma is a deadly sin and a grave insult to Almighty God.

Get help from a legitimate priest or Bishop and stop posting that sort of trash.

Praying that God will have mercy on your soul.

Pelly · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2013, 02:52:52 AM »

I can refute that site, but they go around with "the Illuminati attacked us" like as the Paleo diet supporters mention celiac disease as an excuse. All I ask is to show proof whether the alleged Illuminati website existed. This is the only way to calm down as I'm too scared to view the site by myself. So let's see my story:
I was a faithful Novus Ordinarian, but spent too much time in the UTAU fandom. I've heard of the Warning - Second Coming messages in 2011 but didn't check them. Then in 2012 it came into my mind and searched for them. I left UTAU for a while, thinking that why should I continue developing my voicebank if the End is so near and started to take my Faith seriously. I searched for Jesus and religious things and I stumbled into Protestant websites which I could refute easily. I've heard of the Masonic infiltration of the Church the first time.
Then one day in May I was searching for "iota eta sigma" and stumbled into Sabbath Covenant. I couldn't refute it due to the claims that the Gospels were forged. I lapsed into a secular lifestyle and picked up some Jєωιѕн quirks. I was able to recover gradually and discovered Tradition.
(Note: that's why the Reformation and Sola Scriptura is harmful. They bring back the errors of the Judaizers of the 1st century)
Also, Hungary doesn't have a Traditional bishop and I'm very far from the closest Traditional center.
You need to help me. Maybe I should become an agnostic until the truth turns out...

Pelly · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2013, 12:29:29 PM »

Also, I'm not a troll. I came here to get my faith clear, so please prove me that the site provided in the letter is a fake or didn't existed.

jen51 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2013, 12:59:43 PM »

Quote from: Pelly

You need to help me. Maybe I should become an agnostic until the truth turns out...

Pelly, people on here have tried to help you by telling you to stay away from this kind of stuff. You will not heed their advice, and obstinately persist in reading this stuff. It seems as though you spend an inordinate amount of time reading these crazy ideas.

You mentioned that you lapsed into a secular lifestyle once. Here, you say that maybe you should be agnostic. It's because of this garbage that you are losing the faith. If your faith is not strong enough to keep you from falling away by reading crazy articles, then you need to take steps to build it up. Focus on your interior life by praying and spiritual reading, and for goodness sake stop reading this crap.

Excessive curiosity is a vice. Confessors have warned the faithful (including me!) about this. And they warn us about it because it is a danger to our faith.

People are trying to help you here, if only you would have ears to hear.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2013, 12:59:52 PM »

You came here to "get your faith clear"?

GO. SEE. A. TRADITIONAL. ROMAN. CATHOLIC. PRIEST.

It doesn't get any clearer than that.

We at CathInfo are your friends. Many of us (myself EXCLUDED) are very knowledgeable about the Faith. Some of us are even seminary-educated.

NONE OF US, however, can do for you in spiritual formation and advice and discipline what a priest who works with and knows you.

Reading internet articles and posting on forums will NOT help you GROW in the Faith. At best, you'll either wind up settling down at sites where your previous opinions are supported or you'll get tossed about by every wind of doctrine. Rare are the people who are struggling with real issues who actually solve them by reading things online.

Be assured of my prayers for you. PRAY THE ROSARY! Our Lady will help you!

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Pelly · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2013, 01:26:30 PM »

I checked that site. and it give me an error, saying that it had a robots.txt file. So I don't know whether the site was real or a fake.

Luker · « **Reply #9 on:** June 26, 2013, 03:20:07 PM »

Pelly, please for the sake of your soul take the advice here on CathInfo and STOP READING THOSE SITES!!!

Before I converted to the Holy Catholic Faith, I read many of those sites, I have read and studied nearly every conspiracy out there, from moon bases, underground cities, to Reptilian shapeshifting overlords to I can't even remember what else.

Pelly, take my advice, you are going down a dead end. You will read one site, that has 'a ring of some truth' and it will lead you to another, and another. But you will go in circles. Ultimately the 'truths' of many of these crazy conspiracy sites cannot be proven or disproven. They do have some fairly compelling 'evidence' that lures people in. But in the end you are left with nothing that you can really believe.

You say that you live in Hungary and there are no traditional priests. Then find an older priest that is orthodox in his teaching and talk to him. Also there are many, many good Catholic books available I am sure in Hungarian as well. Start reading those!! If you spend say one hour on the computer, spend at least 30 minutes reading a Catholic book like a Catechism, lives of the Saints or something. Or better yet give up the computer entirely for a while as a penance, and just read some good Catholic books. BUT STAY AWAY FROM THOSE CONSPIRACY SITES!!!!!!!

I will pray for you.

Luke

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #10 on:** June 26, 2013, 03:59:54 PM »

Pelly,

Are you related to Gobosox91?

Pelly · « **Reply #11 on:** June 27, 2013, 12:43:34 PM »