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Offline klasG4e

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Racially Mixed Marriages
« on: May 26, 2018, 07:37:32 PM »
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  • The subject of racially mixed marriages can be a very contentious one.  From a Catholic perspective (i.e., the correct one) what are some of the universal and objective truths concerning racially mixed marriages?  As a simple lay Catholic let me take a stab at it.

    A racially mixed marriage (rmm) is not prohibited by the Divine Law nor the Natural Law, the latter being encompassed as it were by the former.  It should be obvious I think, however, to any well informed Catholic that a rmm can not be treated as though it were simply interchangeable with a same race marriage (srm).  That is not to necessarily imply that a rmm (all other factors being equal) would be less prudent than a srm.  Depending on the given set of facts a rmm could actually be more prudent than a srm.  (Simple example, John, a devout Caucasian Catholic is at his wits end.  He wants to get married, but the only women he knows in his neck of the woods where he for whatever reasons is somewhat stuck are very worldly Caucasians.  Finally, a devout Hispanic (or Asian) Catholic woman moves into town and, of course, you can take it from there.)

    For purposes of this discussion I will use the following definition of miscegenation: marriage or cohabitation between a man and woman of different races, esp. between a black and a white person.

    Throughout history various nations and states within nations have imposed anti-miscegenation laws.  As far as I know, the Catholic Church has never officially condemned any of these actions and as far as I know there would be no doctrinal grounds for such condemnation.

    The God ordered hierarchy of things is #1 Catholic Church/Faith, #2 Country/Nation, and #3 Family.  That is why the government acting on behalf of the nation has the right to take a man from his family in order to defend the nation, but it does not have the right to try to take him away from the Catholic Church/Faith.  (Alas, the military, if not in a judicial sense never the less in a de facto sense all too often tries to rob a traditional Catholic of his Catholic Church/Faith, not to mention his natural morality.)

    The reasons why a nation might impose an anti-miscegenation law are many.  The reasons might be very sound or very stupid, but the wisdom of the decision or lack thereof to make such laws does not negate the state's legitimate power in this area as far as I know.

    It is good to note that anti-miscegenation laws may certainly vary with the particular races involved.  They may prohibit Black-White mixing for example, while not prohibiting certain other racial mixing.

    As an aside, and in closing, it may be noted that Supremacist Jєωs in America and various other countries heavily promote race mixing for a number of malevolent reasons, but not for themselves.  Ah, not a lot has changed in over 2,000 years!  Our Good Lord strongly admonished the leaders of the Jєωs (the Jєωιѕн Supremacists of their time) concerning their ongoing hypocrisy.



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    Re: Racially Mixed Marriages
    « Reply #1 on: May 27, 2018, 07:37:36 PM »
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  • I hope whoever gave me the down arrow could tell me why, if not on this thread, then perhaps with a private message.

    I have absolutely no problem with white nationalists (or black nationalists or any other nationalists) being against race mixing.  I just wish they (and I don't mean all of them) would not rashly condemn individuals in a racially mixed marriage.  All things being equal, I tend to favor same race marriages.  But when are all things equal?

    A properly informed Catholic knows that the most important thing in life as far as it personally affects him is the saving of his soul.  If his soul is lost it doesn't matter who he married or what he accomplished.  In hell he will forever hate himself, God, and everyone and everything.

    Thus, the circuмstances may be that it is wiser to marry a person of another race if the individual chosen appears  to be the best choice for helping him save his soul.  (In terms of wanting to be loved if a man can find a woman who loves God more than she loves him then he has found a real treasure since as such she will be given the grace to love her husband more than she would  be able to do otherwise.  Stated another  way, if she loves her husband more than she loves God than she will love her husband less than if it was the other way around.  That may sound a bit paradoxical, but the truth is the truth!)

    If the state happens to outlaw miscegenation that may make it more difficult for some people in some situations to gain heaven, but it is my strong contention here that the state holds that power as a legitimate prerogative of its authority to govern.  Whether the state exercises its prerogative in a wise way or not is another matter.  (It may be well to note here that the state has the legitimate right to impose all kinds of laws which might in individual circuмstances make it more difficult for some people to gain heaven. )  I  also believe that in some instances anti-miscegenation laws are not only valid, but that they are good and wise for the society as a whole and not just in the temporal sense, but in the spiritual sense as well.

    I know of nothing in Sacred Scripture, Church Tradition, or the teachings of the Church Magisterium which run counter to the State's right to outlaw race mixing.  If anyone reading this contends that there is I hope that he/she steps up and informs the readers of this thread of same.


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    Re: Racially Mixed Marriages
    « Reply #2 on: May 28, 2018, 10:21:08 AM »
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  • The Bestial of British Re-Booted: Whites and Blacks Should Not Mix
    May 28, 2018 — Leave a Comment
    Tobias Langdon

    “Goldfish marries piranha.” That’s how I would summarize the marriage of the dim red-head Prince Harry to the conniving Meghan Markle. Like many others, I do not think the marriage will last. The Guardian and BBC have been very enthusiastic about it, so you can be sure that it’s bad both for the monarchy and for Britain.

    A gigantic lie

    After all, their enthusiasm is based on a gigantic lie: that the stale pale nation of Britain is immeasurably enriched by diversity and that non-Whites are our moral and spiritual superiors, having acquired deep reserves of wisdom and virtue in the long centuries of their oppression by Whites. As I pointed out in “The Bestial of British,” the truth is exactly the opposite. Britain is harmed by diversity and non-Whites are much more prone to criminality and psychopathy than Whites.

    You can see that in Britain’s many meteor-murders, which is what I call a murder that flashes through the British media and then vanishes forever. The Black teenager Stephen Lawrence, who was murdered by Whites back in 1993, has returned again and again to the headlines, because his death can be used to demonize Whites and sanctify Blacks. Compare the White teenager Mary-Ann Leneghan, who was tortured, raped and murdered with extreme savagery by Blacks in 2006. That was a meteor-murder and she was forgotten long ago by the mainstream. So was the White teenager Kriss Donald, who was murdered with extreme savagery by Pakistani Muslims in 2005.

    A laughing acid-thrower

    The murders of Mary-Ann Leneghan and Kriss Donald provided vital lessons about non-White savagery and malice. That’s precisely why they are long-forgotten by the mainstream. The British media follow the agenda of the hostile elite, demonizing Whites, sanctifying non-Whites, and celebrating the steady and remorseless destruction of Britain’s traditions and culture. And in the same week as the wedding of “Harry and Meghan,” a far more significant story about Black-White relations was in the headlines. If the races and sexes had been reversed in this other story, the victim would have joined Stephen Lawrence as a permanent fixture in Britain’s political firmament. But the victim was a White male and the attacker was a Black female, so this will become yet another meteor-murder:

        Woman found guilty of throwing sulphuric acid at former partner

        A woman has been found guilty of an acid attack in Bristol that left her former partner with such terrible injuries that he was driven to euthanasia. Berlinah Wallace [a Black South African], 49, threw sulphuric acid over Mark van Dongen [a White Dutchman], 29, in a fit of jealousy and rage after he began a relationship with another woman. Bristol crown court heard that [in September 2015] Wallace, a former fashion student, hurled acid at Van Dongen, an engineer, as he lay in bed, laughing and taunting him: “If I can’t have you, no one else can.”

        Van Dongen’s face and much of his body was severely scarred. The acid burned through 25% of his body surface. He was paralysed from the neck down, lost most of his sight and his lower left leg had to be amputated. He spent more than a year in hospital in Bristol before his family and friends hired a private ambulance to move him to Belgium, where he applied for euthanasia. …

        Wallace bought the sulphuric acid — legally — online from Amazon for less than £10. [Mark van Dongen’s father] Kees van Dongen vowed to campaign to make sure the laws around the sale of acid are tightened. Amazon has declined to comment. A spate of acid attacks including the one on Van Dongen has led the government to move to reclassify sulphuric acid. Later this year it will only be possible to legally buy the substance over a certain concentration with a licence. The police’s actions before the attack will be scrutinised. It has emerged that Van Dongen was so worried about Wallace after they split that he contacted the police and an officer gave her a harassment warning. … (Woman found guilty of throwing sulphuric acid at former partner, The Guardian, 17th May 2018)

    Berlinah Wallace was found “not guilty” of murder in the trial, but although that may have been legally correct, she was morally responsible for Mark van Dongen’s death. She set out to destroy his life and succeeded. And note this phrase at the end of the story: “A spate of acid attacks.” Why are such barbarous crimes happening so often in twenty-first-century Britain? Well, just like electoral corruption, they represent a triumph of liberalism. Anyone who has read the Sherlock Holmes story “The Adventure of the Illustrious Client” will know that acid-attacks were a problem here in the nineteenth century. Similarly, political cartoons by the great cartoonist James Gillray (1756?–1810) show that electoral corruption was a problem here too. But those problems went away as Britain became a more law-abiding and civilized country.

    Non-White pathologies

    Thanks to mass immigration from the Third World, those two problems we thought gone for ever have returned to blight the twenty-first century. And with them have come pathologies that never existed here, like ѕυιcιdє-bombing, rape-gangs, and female genital mutilation. Liberals import evil and call it enrichment. Acid-attacks are now overwhelmingly carried out by non-Whites in what is still a White-majority nation. But if Mark van Dongen had been the attacker and Berlinah Wallace the victim, can anyone doubt that the case would have held up by the liberal media as proof of White male evil and Black female victimhood? Like Stephen Lawrence, Berlinah Wallace would have become the centre of a permanent martyr-cult.

    As it is, absolutely no racial conclusions have been drawn from Wallace’s savagery and van Dongen’s suffering. To the liberal media, Wallace is merely an anomalous individual whose psychopathic psychology owes nothing to her race. The mere suggestion of any link would elicit shrieks of horror and condemnation. But there is a remarkable parallel between what happened to Mark van Dongen in 2015 and what happened to a model called Katie Piper in 2008. In both cases, a naïve White entered a relationship with a jealous and possessive Black who reacted very badly when the White sought to end the relationship:

        Kate Elizabeth Piper (born 12 October 1983) is an English philanthropist, television presenter and former model from Andover, Hampshire. Piper had hoped to have a full-time career in the media, but in March 2008 sulphuric acid was thrown in her face. The attack, which blinded Piper in one eye, was arranged by Piper’s ex-boyfriend Danny Lynch and carried out by an accomplice Stefan Sylvestre [also Black]; both men were arrested and are serving life sentences in prison with the possibility of parole. …

        Daniel Lynch, a martial arts enthusiast who had been tracking Piper’s media and modelling career, met her through the online social site Facebook. Unknown to her, Lynch had previously been jailed for throwing boiling water into a man’s face. The two first met in person in Reading, Berkshire, where Piper had been working, and initially Piper was pleased with the relationship.

        Two weeks into their relationship, the couple booked into a hotel in Bayswater, following a meal out. In the hotel room, Lynch raped and beat Piper, threatened to cut her with a razor and hang her, and stabbed her several times in the arms. After eight hours at the hotel, they drove back to Piper’s Golders Green flat. Piper was treated for her wounds at Royal Free Hospital, but withheld the nature of the incident from the doctors and police, because she was afraid of Lynch.

        Piper received numerous phone calls and apologies from Lynch. On 31 March 2008, two days after the initial attack, Lynch persuaded Piper to go to an internet cafe to read an email he had sent to her Facebook account. Lynch gave her details to Stefan Sylvestre, who identified her on Golders Green Road. Wearing a hoodie to obscure his identity, Sylvestre approached Piper, who thought he was going to ask for money, and then threw sulphuric acid at her face. (Katie Piper at Infogalactic)

    In some ways, the Black Stefan Sylvestre is even more psychologically remarkable than the Black Berlinah Wallace. She threw acid out of jealousy and rage; he threw acid as a favour to a friend. Unlike Mark van Dongen, Katie Piper survived the attack and has since become famous in Britain as a “survivor” of male violence (not Black male violence). At the time of the attack, the late great Larry Auster oversaw an interesting discussion of what happened to her. He noted that Piper herself and the liberal British media drew no racial conclusions from the horror inflicted on her. To Piper and the media, Daniel Lynch and Stefan Sylvestre are anomalous individuals who fit no racial pattern and prove nothing about any threat posed by non-Whites to Whites.

    The Eloi and the Morlocks

    Indeed, Piper’s own autobiography makes no mention of Lynch’s and Sylvestre’s race in its detailed account of the crime. Very foolishly, she doesn’t regard their race as important. Auster was sympathetic to her suffering but despaired at her foolishness, classifying her among what he called the Eloi, after a race of future humans in H.G. Wells’ The Time Machine (1895).  The Eloi are the good-looking, hedonistic and sun-loving prey of a grim underground race called the Morlocks. For Eloi, read “Whites”; for Morlocks, read “Blacks.” Auster added Katie Piper to a long list he compiled of Whites who have been murdered or badly injured by Blacks and other non-Whites. Another British entry in the list is particularly worthy of mention:

        Britain + Blacks = Ben Kinsella dead [June, 2009. Photos of Ben Kinsella and the three demi-humans who took his life. “What do I mean by the title of this entry? Do I mean that all blacks, or most blacks, or a large minority of blacks are killers? Of course not. Do I want white people to hate or even dislike blacks in general? Absolutely not. It nevertheless remains a simple fact that blacks are almost an order of magnitude more violent than other races when it comes to such crimes as murder, rape, and armed robbery. To import a black population into a previously all-white country is to consign a large number of whites in that country, year after year, generation after generation, to violent death at the hands of blacks.”] (Black and other nonwhite violence against whites: a grim collection, Larry Auster, first posted 12th August 2008)

    Larry Auster was a great man who, despite his liberal Jєωιѕн background, saw through the lies of liberalism and fought for the truth. Although he often criticized Kevin MacDonald, at the end of his life he published an article, “Jєωs — The Archetypal Multiculturalists,” more or less accepting that MacDonald was right. Auster himself was right in what he wrote above: Whites should not hate “Blacks in general,” but we should not live with them either. What happened to Mark van Dongen and Katie Piper is an extreme example of why Whites and Blacks should have separate nations.

    The marriage of Prince Harry and Megan Markle, by contrast, was an exercise in lying state propaganda. Here again are Larry Auster’s words: “To import a black population into a previously all-white country is to consign a large number of whites in that country, year after year, generation after generation, to violent death at the hands of blacks.” But it is not simply Blacks who pose that threat, nor is violent death the only harm inflicted on Whites. We also bear the huge costs of rape-gangs, in-breeding, exotic diseases, benefit fraud and political corruption. Britain was once an all-White country; now it has a large and growing non-White population. The consequences for ordinary Whites have been horrific and will not end until Britain becomes an all-White country again. After that, we need to punish the traitors responsible both for importing non-Whites and for lying about the joys of a racially mixed society.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/05/28/the-bestial-of-british-re-booted-whites-and-blacks-should-not-mix/

    My Opinion:

    This is true in every multiracial diverse population, crime goes way up and covered up by the mass media. The Politicians
    will lie and ignore this in fear of retaliation by the mass media in which they are fired from their jobs and lose elections.
    Liberalism actually love high crime rates because they are monetary compensated in private prisons and justified an
    ever growing police state.
    If you see the truth what is really is going on,and complained about it.  you are immediately branded a racist. If you
    have a job, they make sure the employer is informed and that you most likely be fired from your job.