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Title: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Mass12 on December 04, 2019, 09:30:03 AM
I need more help on this subject from a truly Catholic point. This comes up in conversation and everyday life all the time and it's always pushed on the propaganda news.
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Jaynek on December 04, 2019, 09:41:00 AM
I am old enough to remember a time when the word "racism" was used in a meaningful way.  The definition, however, has expanded to a point of absurdity.

As an example, there was an incident this past October in which a store had a Halloween display using reversed colour jack-o-lanterns, i.e. orange features on a black pumpkin.  These were removed in response to complaints that they were using "black face" which is a form of racism.

It is wrong to direct hatred and violence  at people merely for being a certain race, but the word "racism" has gone so far beyond this that most of the things now being labelled as racism are not wrong at all.
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Mark 79 on December 04, 2019, 09:44:17 AM
We are certainly free to observe objective facts.  
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Jaynek on December 04, 2019, 10:01:28 AM
We are certainly free to observe objective facts.  
Yes, this is something that is routinely called racism now even though there is no good reason to think it is wrong.  It is an example of what I was talking about.
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Matthew on December 04, 2019, 10:31:07 AM
We are certainly free to observe objective facts.  

Like the IQ bell curve?

Or the fact that in America, black people (13% of the population) commit over 50% of the violent crimes?
The statistic is easy to remember:
13 stripes on the American flag
50 stars

It's probably related to another statistic: the high incidence of single motherhood and fatherless households in the American black population.
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Mass12 on December 04, 2019, 12:10:05 PM
Sorry, I may have titled this wrong or asked in the wrong way.
I know the crime stats and the "news " manipulation but was looking for more on the Catholic way of dealing with race seperation, the rights of people to associate with others by choice, races being forced together in countries, Christendom culture, and answering even supposed catholics of calling you racist.
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Uncle Buck on December 04, 2019, 12:32:09 PM

What Does Saint Thomas Say About Immigration?

By John  HYPERLINK "http://www.returntoorder.org/author/editor/"Horvat
HYPERLINK "http://www.returntoorder.org/author/editor/" II

In looking at the debate over immigration, it is almost automatically assumed that the Church’s position is one of unconditional charity toward those who enter the nation, legally or illegally.

However, is this the case? What does the Bible say about immigration? What do Church doctors and theologians say? Above all, what does the greatest of doctors, Saint Thomas Aquinas, say about immigration? Does his opinion offer some insights to the burning issues now shaking the nation and blurring the national borders?

Immigration is a modern problem and so some might think that the medieval Saint Thomas would have no opinion about the problem. And yet, he does. One has only to look in his masterpiece, the Summa Theologica, in the first part of the second part, question 105, article 3 (I-II, Q. 105, Art. 3). There one finds his analysis based on biblical insights that can add to the national debate. They are entirely applicable to the present.

Saint Thomas: “Man’s relations with foreigners are twofold: peaceful, and hostile: and in directing both kinds of relation the Law contained suitable precepts.”

Commentary: In making this affirmation, Saint Thomas affirms that not all immigrants are equal. Every nation has the right to decide which immigrants are beneficial, that is, “peaceful,” to the common good. As a matter of self-defense, the State can reject those criminal elements, traitors, enemies and others who it deems harmful or “hostile” to its citizens.

The second thing he affirms is that the manner of dealing with immigration is determined by law in the cases of both beneficial and “hostile” immigration. The State has the right and duty to apply its law.

Saint Thomas: “For the Jews were offered three opportunities of peaceful relations with foreigners. First, when foreigners passed through their land as travelers. Secondly, when they came to dwell in their land as newcomers. And in both these respects the Law made kind provision in its precepts: for it is written (Exodus 22:21): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [advenam]’; and again (Exodus 22:9): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [peregrino].’”

Commentary: Here Saint Thomas acknowledges the fact that others will want to come to visit or even stay in the land for some time. Such foreigners deserved to be treated with charity, respect and courtesy, which is due to any human of good will. In these cases, the law can and should protect foreigners from being badly treated or molested.

Saint Thomas: “Thirdly, when any foreigners wished to be admitted entirely to their fellowship and mode of worship. With regard to these a certain order was observed. For they were not at once admitted to citizenship: just as it was law with some nations that no one was deemed a citizen except after two or three generations, as the Philosopher says (Polit. iii, 1).”

Commentary: Saint Thomas recognizes that there will be those who will want to stay and become citizens of the lands they visit. However, he sets as the first condition for acceptance a desire to integrate fully into what would today be considered the culture and life of the nation.

A second condition is that the granting of citizenship would not be immediate. The integration process takes time. People need to adapt themselves to the nation. He quotes the philosopher Aristotle as saying this process was once deemed to take two or three generations. Saint Thomas himself does not give a time frame for this integration, but he does admit that it can take a long time.

Saint Thomas: “The reason for this was that if foreigners were allowed to meddle with the affairs of a nation as soon as they settled down in its midst, many dangers might occur, since the foreigners not yet having the common good firmly at heart might attempt something hurtful to the people.”

Commentary: The common sense of Saint Thomas is certainly not politically correct but it is logical. The theologian notes that living in a nation is a complex thing. It takes time to know the issues affecting the nation. Those familiar with the long history of their nation are in the best position to make the long-term decisions about its future. It is harmful and unjust to put the future of a place in the hands of those recently arrived, who, although through no fault of their own, have little idea of what is happening or has happened in the nation. Such a policy could lead to the destruction of the nation.

As an illustration of this point, Saint Thomas later notes that the Jєωιѕн people did not treat all nations equally since those nations closer to them were more quickly integrated into the population than those who were not as close. Some hostile peoples were not to be admitted at all into full fellowship due to their enmity toward the Jєωιѕн people.

Saint Thomas: “Nevertheless it was possible by dispensation for a man to be admitted to citizenship on account of some act of virtue: thus it is related (Judith 14:6) that Achior, the captain of the children of Ammon, ‘was joined to the people of Israel, with all the succession of his kindred.’”

Commentary: That is to say, the rules were not rigid. There were exceptions that were granted based on the circuмstances. However, such exceptions were not arbitrary but always had in mind the common good. The example of Achior describes the citizenship bestowed upon the captain and his children for the good services rendered to the nation.
* * *

These are some of the thoughts of Saint Thomas Aquinas on the matter of immigration based on biblical principles. It is clear that immigration must have two things in mind: the first is the nation’s unity; and the second is the common good.

Immigration should have as its goal integration, not disintegration or segregation. The immigrant should not only desire to assume the benefits but the responsibilities of joining into the full fellowship of the nation. By becoming a citizen, a person becomes part of a broad family over the long term and not a shareholder in a joint stock company seeking only short-term self-interest.

Secondly, Saint Thomas teaches that immigration must have in mind the common good; it cannot destroy or overwhelm a nation.

This explains why so many Americans experience uneasiness caused by massive and disproportional immigration. Such policy artificially introduces a situation that destroys common points of unity and overwhelms the ability of a society to absorb new elements organically into a unified culture. The common good is no longer considered.
A proportional immigration has always been a healthy development in a society since it injects new life and qualities into a social body. But when it loses that proportion and undermines the purpose of the State, it threatens the well-being of the nation.

When this happens, the nation would do well to follow the advice of Saint Thomas Aquinas and biblical principles. The nation must practice justice and charity towards all, including foreigners, but it must above all safeguard the common good and its unity, without which no country can long endure.

Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: BTNYC on December 04, 2019, 10:00:25 PM
...answering even supposed catholics of calling you racist.


Simple. Tell them to look up "Racism" in the Google Ngram viewer, with range set for 1900 to present:

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Then remind them that the onus is 100% on them to demonstrate how a moral concept invented in the 20th Century by Marxist Jews is owed the smallest scintilla of consideration by Catholics. Ditto for "sexism" (see above), "homophobia," and "transphobia."
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: poche on December 04, 2019, 11:48:27 PM
9. Beware, Venerable Brethren, of that growing abuse, in speech as in writing, of the name of God as though it were a meaningless label, to be affixed to any creation, more or less arbitrary, of human speculation. Use your influence on the Faithful, that they refuse to yield to this aberration. Our God is the Personal God, supernatural, omnipotent, infinitely perfect, one in the Trinity of Persons, tri-personal in the unity of divine essence, the Creator of all existence. Lord, King and ultimate Consummator of the history of the world, who will not, and cannot, tolerate a rival God by His side.

http://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html

I think we should study what Pope Pius XI wrote about obsession about race and see where it applies in the situation at hand. We should remember that the law of God applies to everyone.   
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Mark 79 on December 04, 2019, 11:54:52 PM
More feces from PoochDouche—his typical inversion of the truth.

His allies are the ones who exalt their race.

Gentiles are animals
 
“The seed of the goyim is like an animal.” Sanhedrin 74b
 
“All Gentile children are animals.” Yebamoth 98a
 
“Gentile sperm leads to barbaric offspring”
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4006385,00.html (https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4006385,00.html)
 
Israeli Soldier: “They are animals, we are humans!”
https://youtu.be/pSyP6IPbuR0 (https://youtu.be/pSyP6IPbuR0)
 
 
Gentiles have satanic animalistic souls
 
 
the founder of Chabad on the souls of Jews:
 
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and non-Jews:
 
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Hakirah, The Soul of a Jew and the Soul of a Non-Jew, p. 51
http://www.hakirah.org/Vol%2016%20Balk.pdf (http://www.hakirah.org/Vol%2016%20Balk.pdf)
 
“For, the world was created only for the sake of Israel. There are none called the children of God, except Israel. There are none beloved of God, except Israel.”
Seven Minor Treatises: Sefer Torah; Mezuzah; Tefillin; Zizit; Abadim; Kutim; Gerim And Treatise Soferim II.
Edited from manuscripts with an introduction, notes, variants and translation. By Michael Higger, Ph.D. New York; Block Publishing Company. 1930. Pp. 47-48.
 
“...‘living soul’ designates Israel because they are children of the Almighty, and their souls, which are holy, come from Him. From whence come the souls of other peoples? R[abbi] Eleazar said: ‘They obtain souls from those sides of the left which convey impurity, and therefore they are all impure and defile those who have contact with them.’...‘living soul’ refers to Israel, who have holy living souls from above, and ‘cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth,’ to the other peoples who are not ‘living soul,’ but who are as we have said.”
Zohar, Bereshith 47a
 
“Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever… their material abundance derives from supernal refuse. Indeed, they themselves derive from refuse, which is why they are more numerous than the Jews…”
Abraham Foxbrunner. Habad: The Hasidism of Schneur Zalman of Lyady. Northvale NJ: Jason Aronson Inc., 1983. Pp. 108-109.
 
 
a pervasive fundamental precept of Judaism
 
“The Jew by his source and in his very essence is entirely good. The goy, by his source and his very essence, is completely evil. This is not simply a matter of religious distinction, but rather of two completely different species.”
Rabbi Saadya Grama, Romemut Yisrael Ufarashat Hagalut (“Jєωιѕн Superiority and the Question of Exile”) 2003.
 
“Souls of non-Jews come entirely from the female part of the Satanic sphere. For this reason souls of non-Jews are called evil.” [Yesaiah Tishbi, Torat ha-Rave-ha-Kelippahnbe-Kabbalat ha-Ari (The Theory of Evil and the Satanic Sphere in Kabbalah) 1942, reprinted 1982] The Messianic age of restoration and redemption (tikkun olam) forecast by the religion of Judaism and spoon-fed to their partisans among the goyim, posits a world restored to universal harmony and justice. That’s the cover story, anyway. But the truth it is somewhat more macabre, as Tishby relates: “… the presence of Israel among the nations mends the world, but not the nations of the world…. It does not bring the nations closer to holiness, but rather it extracts the holiness from them and thereby destroys their ability to exist… [T]he purpose of the full redemption is to destroy the vitality of all the peoples.”
Michael Hoffman, Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition, and Deceit, ISBN 13: 9780970378453, pp.774-775
http://www.amazon.com/Judaism-Discovered-Anti-Biblical-Self-Worship-Superstition/dp/0970378459 (http://www.amazon.com/Judaism-Discovered-Anti-Biblical-Self-Worship-Superstition/dp/0970378459)
 
“The best of the gentiles: kill him; the best of snakes: smash its skull; the best of women: is filled with witchcraft.” Kiddushin 66c The uncensored version of this text appears in Tractate Soferim (New York, M. Higer, 1937), 15:7, p. 282. “The best of the gentiles should all be killed.”
http://тαℓмυdical.blogspot.com/2010/09/truth-about-тαℓмυd.html (http://тαℓмυdical.blogspot.com/2010/09/truth-about-тαℓмυd.html)
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Stubborn on December 05, 2019, 04:46:00 AM
I need more help on this subject from a truly Catholic point. This comes up in conversation and everyday life all the time and it's always pushed on the propaganda news.
Fr. Wathen called out the whole racism debacle 30 years ago, what he said then is as true today as it was then. If you do a word search in his book Who Shall Ascend? (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/who-shall-ascend-fr-wathen/), you will find a fair amount on the subject from a truly Catholic point of view, here is one short snip....


"....The International Left has made both crimes and sins out of what it calls racism, discrimination, segregation, and sexism. The Conciliar Church has adopted this thinking as a new realization of Catholic morality; which is to say, it has adopted Liberalism totally as its teaching. For this reason, we state again the Catholic view concerning these ideas. We make mention of them here because all these aberrations are taught as applications of justice and charity, with little or no regard for the difference between the two virtues...."
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: BixB on December 05, 2019, 07:41:38 AM
We are certainly free to observe objective facts.  
OK, sure. On this subject however, one should exercise extreme caution in drawing inferences, and especially how it informs one's appraisal of individual persons.
For example, Americans of Asian descent significantly outperform Americans of European descent academically. They also score higher on IQ tests. They also seem to come out ahead on measurable moral factors: they have a much lower rate of divorce,  and when it comes to crime (violent or otherwise) their participation is not only significantly lower, but so low as to be considered negligible.
Someone who looked at these objective facts and concluded that "whites" are somehow an inferior race would be mistaken and overlooking other possible factors, in my opinion. And if an Asian person was obsessed with pointing out these facts or was constantly making innuendo-laden comments against white people, I would rightly consider him to be at best a bore, probably a jerk, and possibly worse.
Just because the marxists and freemasons use the reality of tensions between ethnic groups to further their own agenda (by seeing "racism" everywhere and in everything), doesn't mean we should go in the other direction. Stuff like "ethnic nationalism" has nothing whatsoever to do with Catholicism and the teaching of the Popes, in particular Pius XI on this subject is clear.
I am a bit tired of the way that some people's pet obsession with race/ethnicity has been taking up so much room in this forum, much as the "flat earth" stuff used to before it was sequestered off into its own corner. As with the flat earth stuff, I would not be surprised if many of the people who post constantly about it are not real Traditional Catholics, but infiltrators attempting to sow division and confusion.
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: BTNYC on December 05, 2019, 09:08:40 AM
OK, sure. On this subject however, one should exercise extreme caution in drawing inferences, and especially how it informs one's appraisal of individual persons.


Why? Why should the caution be extreme? And what do you mean by "appraisal?"

Are you referring to prejudices? Prejudices are simply a quick species of discernment based on experience with / general knowledge of a particular group, and acting in accord with that knowledge when dealing with an individual about whom one knows nothing else (other than that he is a member of that group). That strikes me as eminently reasonable (i.e. crossing a street when approached by a negro youth in a negro neighborhood at a late hour).

As they are universal, and as they tend toward self-preservation, it seems to me prejudices are not only not "bad," but are objectively good. Might they be exaggerated by fallen human nature to an uncharitable degree? Of course. Piety can be exaggerated into bitter zeal, also. That doesn't make piety "bad" any more than prejudices are "bad."

Most people I've ever encountered know how to recognize individuals apart from groups, and will not deal with individuals unjustly based on reasonable prejudices formed from knowledge of generally true negative traits. "Generally true" does not mean "universally true." Reasonable people know this, and the needless hand-wringing that suggest otherwise has done much to frighten Europeans (and their descendants here in the Americas) out of asserting their own group's interests, to the benefit of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, and to the disastrous detriment of the sons and daughters of Christendom.


For example, Americans of Asian descent significantly outperform Americans of European descent academically. They also score higher on IQ tests. They also seem to come out ahead on measurable moral factors: they have a much lower rate of divorce,  and when it comes to crime (violent or otherwise) their participation is not only significantly lower, but so low as to be considered negligible.
Someone who looked at these objective facts and concluded that "whites" are somehow an inferior race would be mistaken and overlooking other possible factors, in my opinion. And if an Asian person was obsessed with pointing out these facts or was constantly making innuendo-laden comments against white people, I would rightly consider him to be at best a bore, probably a jerk, and possibly worse.

It should be pointed out that the average IQ difference between East Asians and Europeans is 3 - 5 points; nothing near the full standard deviation gulf between Sub-Saharan Africans and Europeans. This is unsurprising, as East Asians and Europeans are more closely related to one another than either group is to Sub-Saharan Africans.

Differences between races encompass areas beyond intelligence, strength, height, etc. and include differences of temperament. The East Asian temperament certainly seems to favor an extreme tendency to cooperation and collective thought and a capacity for incorporation of / imitation of foreign technologies and arts and forms of governance, over and above the more naturally individualistic and innovative European temperament. In some areas, this is a benefit, and, as you point out, East Asians perform in a manner superior to Europeans on tests and in schools. I have no problem recognizing that. East Asians are far better suited for life in a European Society like ours than Sub-Saharan Africans are (though neither of them belong here). At the same time, the European temperament has resulted in the production of the most magnificent art and music and architecture and philosophy the world has ever known; convincingly imitated by Asians at times, but never matched.

Superiority in certain spheres and fields is objectively observable, and should there fore be, to any reasonable person, perfectly acceptable. That superiority does not imply any belief in some overall, "ontological" superiority or "more humanness" as the hand-wringers and the race baiters imply. This is a delusion we all need to be disabused of.



Just because the marxists and freemasons use the reality of tensions between ethnic groups to further their own agenda (by seeing "racism" everywhere and in everything), doesn't mean we should go in the other direction. Stuff like "ethnic nationalism" has nothing whatsoever to do with Catholicism and the teaching of the Popes, in particular Pius XI on this subject is clear.


Your failure to name the Jew is duly noted.

The (((Marxists and freemasons))) don't merely "use the reality of tensions" between racial groups, they actively create these scenarios by altering immigration laws to favor-non-whites (Hart-Celler Act, Barbara Spectre, etc.), by pushing anti-white narratives in their media, and by demonizing whites in schools, history books, novels, films, television shows, corporate HR training, and nearly every other sphere of life. (((They))) don't merely "see" "racism," they invented it whole cloth, as a gag with which to silence Europeans, whom they hate for being sons and daughters of Christendom, as they lead us like dumb beasts down the path to annihilation via mass immigration and miscegenation.

Your disparagement of ethnic nationalism reveals you as either a bad-willed shill, or simply a duped and cuckolded civ-nat useful goy idiot.

Nationalism is intrinsically ethnic in character. Catholic teaching has ever fostered and encouraged in the faithful the virtues of patriotism - real patriotism, not the idolatrous Americanist ape of it that holds a constitution or "magic dirt" or "an idea" over and above what really matters: One's people; one's ethnos - your blood, an extension of your own family. The Catholic principle of subsidiarity is itself rooted in those virtues that are reflected so frequently in Catholic folklore and literature (Tolkien's, to name but one very prominent example) - love for what is familiar: one's home and hearth, one's kin, one's parish, one's town, one's people. Aristotle too spoke of the need for cohesion and homogeneity in the ethnos to promote philia - the brotherly love that builds strong nations, over and against the fractured, alienated and disjointed masses over whom tyrants prefer to rule.  

But I'm sure Poche will be heartened to know he now has a fellow Mit Brenneder Sorge-abuser in his camp.

I am a bit tired of the way that some people's pet obsession with race/ethnicity has been taking up so much room in this forum, much as the "flat earth" stuff used to before it was sequestered off into its own corner. As with the flat earth stuff, I would not be surprised if many of the people who post constantly about it are not real Traditional Catholics, but infiltrators attempting to sow division and confusion.

Your exasperation with our conversation is noted for all it's worth, Mr. 4 posts.

And, while I concur with your appraisal of the flat-earthers, I would argue that the "pet obsession" with race is merely a conversation that is long overdue, based on the fact that this is one area where most people of every kind - including, lamentably, Traditional Catholics, have utterly internalized the commands of our Jєωιѕн enemies.

"Racism" is a modern moral concept invented by Jєωιѕн Marxists, yet many on this forum accept it wholly uncritically. How anyone fails to grasp that that is a problem is beyond me.
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Jaynek on December 05, 2019, 12:23:07 PM
Just because the marxists and freemasons use the reality of tensions between ethnic groups to further their own agenda (by seeing "racism" everywhere and in everything), doesn't mean we should go in the other direction. Stuff like "ethnic nationalism" has nothing whatsoever to do with Catholicism and the teaching of the Popes, in particular Pius XI on this subject is clear.

I am a bit tired of the way that some people's pet obsession with race/ethnicity has been taking up so much room in this forum, much as the "flat earth" stuff used to before it was sequestered off into its own corner. As with the flat earth stuff, I would not be surprised if many of the people who post constantly about it are not real Traditional Catholics, but infiltrators attempting to sow division and confusion.
I don't know if obsessed is quite the right word, but I have recently become very interested in so-called anti-semitism and the closely related topic of racism.  I recently started reading and listening to E. Michael Jones which has changed the way I look at these things.  

Unlike flat earth, which is a topic of little real significance, the issue of race and racism is connected to just about everything that is going on in both the world and the Church.  Identity politics is connected to marxism is connected to liberalism is connected to "Catholic" modernism and there is a thread of Jєωιѕн influence running through the whole mess.

I feel like I have not spent enough time thinking about race and racism.  It is a piece of the puzzle and possibly an important one. I think it deserves a lot room on the forum (although placed in the correct subforum of course.  ;) )
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: clarkaim on December 05, 2019, 05:02:11 PM
Like the IQ bell curve?

Or the fact that in America, black people (13% of the population) commit over 50% of the violent crimes?
The statistic is easy to remember:
13 stripes on the American flag
50 stars

It's probably related to another statistic: the high incidence of single motherhood and fatherless households in the American black population.
When you adjust for sex, down to 6%  now take into account age (not a lot of crimes committed by blacks over 33 or younger than 8, though that age may go younger, THAT is the reason you will always encounter me at St. Vincent's on any occasion with my Les Baer TRS w/ a .45 acp hydro-shock in the chamber with the hammer cocked and the safety on.  Don't hate anyone because of the color of their skin NOR do I "feel inadequate" without my gun.  If i'm on the sidewalk near where the SSPX bought our church some 40 years ago when a couple of them come strolling by,  I AM inadequate without a gun.  I carry to protect my life and my families because to me, our lives are worth more than theirs.  
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: alaric on December 07, 2019, 07:01:18 PM
9. Beware, Venerable Brethren, of that growing abuse, in speech as in writing, of the name of God as though it were a meaningless label, to be affixed to any creation, more or less arbitrary, of human speculation. Use your influence on the Faithful, that they refuse to yield to this aberration. Our God is the Personal God, supernatural, omnipotent, infinitely perfect, one in the Trinity of Persons, tri-personal in the unity of divine essence, the Creator of all existence. Lord, King and ultimate Consummator of the history of the world, who will not, and cannot, tolerate a rival God by His side.

http://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html

I think we should study what Pope Pius XI wrote about obsession about race and see where it applies in the situation at hand. We should remember that the law of God applies to everyone.    
Hey pooch, you have any papal encyclicals or quotes about Jєωιѕн racism or supremacism?
Or how about popes condemning the state of Israel for their blatant racism and "obsession" of their race over the Arabs and anybody else unfortunate enough to be living underneath their racist, little terrorist hate-state.
Nah you have nothing pooch, and neither do your popes.
No wonder so many have left the Church and their recent  phony jew worshipping popes.
Hypocrites.
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Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: alaric on December 07, 2019, 07:09:51 PM
I need more help on this subject from a truly Catholic point. This comes up in conversation and everyday life all the time and it's always pushed on the propaganda news.
I believe the Church is pretty much silent on this issue since "racism" was a commie-jew construct pushed by the Bolsheviks as a means to usurp whatever culture ((they're)) attached to as a means to incapacitate the host culture to defend themselves from an obvious continuous  onslaught from other cultures/races a a means to eventually replace the indigenous race/culture and eventually destroy the culture. The accusation of "racism" is meant to paralyze anyone accused of it.
It's all a bunch of nonsense.   
Most of the time. Or at least when racist jews accuse you of it.
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: BTNYC on December 07, 2019, 07:21:34 PM
I believe the Church is pretty much silent on this issue since "racism" was a commie-jew construct pushed by the Bolsheviks as a means to usurp whatever culture ((they're)) attached to as a means to incapacitate the host culture to defend themselves from an obvious continuous  onslaught from other cultures/races a a means to eventually replace the indigenous race/culture and eventually destroy the culture. The accusation of "racism" is meant to paralyze anyone accused of it.
It's all a bunch of nonsense.  
Most of the time. Or at least when racist jews accuse you of it.

Amen.

If something akin to "racism" exists - certainly in the sense of "idolatrous elevation" of race, as described in Mit Brennender Sorge, it is the Jews themselves who are alone guilty of it.

It's textbook kike projection.
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: alaric on December 08, 2019, 08:38:20 AM
Amen.

If something akin to "racism" exists - certainly in the sense of "idolatrous elevation" of race, as described in Mit Brennender Sorge, it is the Jews themselves who are alone guilty of it.

It's textbook kike projection.
What happens is this.....the more they push this delusional "racism", the more people will become racially aware.
And that's on both sides, black and white, brown and yellow. This is why you see all these "white" nationalists groups forming n the last 20 years. The jew has pushed hard on this issue and he usually get's the opposite of what he wants.
Just like "antisemitism". the more they scream about it, the more people will dislike them.
It's like a saying I heard a long time ago........."antisemitism is a disease you catch from jews"
You can apply "racism" in there as well.
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Mark 79 on December 08, 2019, 09:32:17 AM
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Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Mark 79 on December 08, 2019, 09:33:47 AM
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Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: poche on December 09, 2019, 12:16:59 AM
Hey pooch, you have any papal encyclicals or quotes about Jєωιѕн racism or supremacism?
Or how about popes condemning the state of Israel for their blatant racism and "obsession" of their race over the Arabs and anybody else unfortunate enough to be living underneath their racist, little terrorist hate-state.
Nah you have nothing pooch, and neither do your popes.
No wonder so many have left the Church and their recent  phony jew worshipping popes.
Hypocrites.
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I don't think that we need another encyclical. The moral law as taught by Pope Pius XI applies to everyone.
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: BTNYC on December 09, 2019, 12:26:27 AM
I don't think that we need another encyclical. The moral law as taught by Pope Pius XI applies to everyone.

Even Jews?

Do you admit they have idolatrously elevated their race, as described in Mit Brennender Sorge?
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Jaynek on December 09, 2019, 08:00:50 AM
Even Jews?

Do you admit they have idolatrously elevated their race, as described in Mit Brennender Sorge?
Exactly.  If Poche will not admit the passage he keeps quoting applies to Zionism, тαℓмυdism, and identity politics,  then he cannot claim that he is following Catholic teaching.  Following the Church means applying her teaching everywhere that it fits.  It is not following the Church if one only uses a passage to confirm one's own biases or agenda.  That is mere rationalization.

Poche, nobody can take you seriously if you keep using this passage so selectively, especially since you seem to be doing so to defend liberal causes.  You have completely destroyed your credibility.
Title: Re: Race and "Racism"?
Post by: Mark 79 on December 09, 2019, 09:04:38 AM
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Jesus, we beg you and, Father, we beg you in the Holy Name of Your Son, Jesus, that it is Your Will to drive Poche from this place forever. We offer our fasting, alms, suffering, good works, and happiness for this intention.