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Putting it all together - evidence of their plans
« on: June 29, 2014, 06:44:31 PM »
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  • Can't say it's good news, or pleasant to think about, but forewarned is forearmed. At least we can think about what we'd do in one of these situations.

    Even psychological preparedness is quite valuable.

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    « Reply #1 on: June 29, 2014, 06:53:40 PM »
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  • You keep predicting these teotwawki scenarios, or piggy-backing on others predictions, and yet never review them when they don't come to pass.



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    « Reply #2 on: June 29, 2014, 07:00:21 PM »
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  • Ggreg, sometimes I value your common sense and/or business/practical/worldly acuмen. You're a good ingredient in the CathInfo salad, like a few thin slices of red onion, but I'd never want to make a meal out of 100% red onions.

    These kind of posts are more "classic CathInfo" than just about anything else you could post.

    To save time, I'll just quote what I said a couple weeks ago:

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    Just because everything's peachy here on June 18 doesn't mean we're out of the woods. Everywhere you look you can tell that collapse and even WW3 is right around the corner.

    I'm not one for calling dates myself, but I do want to encourage members to post articles like this. When it comes to prepping, "Better to be 2 years early than 1 day late." I also encourage members to "prep" because the chance of NOTHING happening in the next 5 years is about 0.001%

    Long story short, CathInfo will always be a welcome place for all such rumors and reports to be posted. Again, keep in mind that the forum owner/moderator always sets the tone for a forum.

    So survivalist/alt news/doom posts will ALWAYS be welcome here, even if no one liked them but me!  As long as I'm around.

    Long story short, "conspiracy nuts" will always have pride of place around here. And they will not only be tolerated but actively encouraged and protected by the sole moderator.

    cօռspιʀαcιҽs, "doom" and such have been part of CathInfo's core mission since 2006.

    If you don't like it, you can leave.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 30, 2014, 09:03:08 AM »
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  • Thing is Matthew, you and I are about the same age and I've heard this "end of the world as we know it" line for 35 years.  It has always been "just right around the corner".  Lots of the people I remember saying it are now dead, or as close to it as makes no difference.

    Remember the 1970s and 1980s?  Protect and Survive?  I remember growing up with the threat of nuclear war ever present.  I remember Trads spinning whatever geo-political problems were going on at the time into some societal collapse.

    I remember Y2K and the Millenium Bug.  Some of the younger people here don't but I can remember SSPX priests and Williamson himself suggesting that Y2K might be TEOTWAWKI.  Then 911 and let's face it that was a pretty shocking and surprising event.  And then the Boxing Day Tsunami, 1/4 million people suddenly dead.  Then the 2007 banking collapse which, let's be honest, looked pretty much like the end of the capitalist funny money system.  And yet here we all are 7 years later.  The economy in the doldrums perhaps but nothing like the disaster scenario predicted.   The "derivatives time bomb" still unexploded.

    There will be a third world war, of that I am sure.  One simply has to look at history to see that wars come and go and are a part of human politics.  But when, who knows?  Will it kill everyone?  Who knows?  Will it kill first worlders or third worlders?  Who knows?

    Since you are pitching these disaster scenarios to humans, "right around the corner" applies to a human lifetime, not that of a giant tortoise or a Californian Redwood tree.  Do you accept that along with a warning comes a moral responsibility to review those warnings and temper them with a mental balance and some clarity that there is far more we don't know about what might happen than what we do know.  And we have absolutely no clue as to the timing, as a search of all TEOTWAWKI posts in the last 15 years on the internet clearly demonstrates.  To speak of things being "right around the corner" therefore is misleading hyperbole.  You simply don't know that.

    Would you accept that most people considering these potential disaster scenarios are not going to be unaffected in their decision-making.  Would you accept that someone might put of marriage, taking out a mortgage, making a long term investment in say medical school or law school which will only pay back after 6-10 years if they think there is a reasonably high chance of TEOTWAWKI being "around the corner"?





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    « Reply #4 on: June 30, 2014, 09:16:24 AM »
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  • I think rather than this being a matter of what we like or don't like, it's important that trads be seen by the world as having common sense. Nothing that ggreg has written on this subject (that I've read, which is by no means extensive) seems to lack common sense (except the idea of choosing to die early. But I doubt he's serious about what that implies. Even if he was serious, I think that should be seen as a warning sign of the possible effects of this kind of eotwawki stuff).
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    « Reply #5 on: June 30, 2014, 10:06:11 AM »
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  • There are some souls who, feeling betrayed by both Church and country, indulge in apocalyptic rhetoric. They find consolation in talking about the inevitable economic collapse, social chaos, war, famine, the great chastisement, etc.

    Although, the topic of the end of times and the gloomy general situation can be fascinating and entertaining, it does little to help those of us trying to raise Catholic families, especially if one is prone to despair. For some of us, it is not healthy to always be looking at the gloomy picture. There must be a balance.

    Recently read a statement in the SBC Mancipia Press related to this:

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    "There’s no denying that we find ourselves in a wasteland in Church, State, and family today. But let us not, on that account, engage in handwringing and whining.

    Brother Francis used to call some Catholic writers who majored in this, “professional  wailers,” after those Arabs he knew who got paid to set the mood at funeral rites by mourning bombastically. According to Brother, the motto of the Catholic professional wailer is “have you heard the latest?” While it is important to take stock of the wasteland every once in a while — at least to keep ourselves from being wasted — it is much more necessary to “look up,” to remind ourselves of our supernatural goal and to cultivate a clear vision of the way there. Saint Paul tells us that “our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, our Lord Jesus Christ,” (Phil. 3:20). With so much around us to disedify, we ought to edify ourselves and others. Besides the customary Catholic practices of piety (Mass, sacraments, prayer, spiritual reading, the practice of the virtues, etc.), one way to edify ourselves is to read of the noble episodes in Catholic history.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 30, 2014, 01:19:44 PM »
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  • I don't think there is anything wrong (not just morally, but pragmatically, too) with posting, discussing and preparing for TEOTWAWKI scenarios among Catholics, as long as there is some balance. If living in the Faith - prayer life, Mass (if you're able to assist at a real Mass), the Sacraments, etc - is not neglected or hindered, and a person's mental health is not adversely affected by these apocalyptic thoughts, then I don't see a problem with it.  I don't disagree with the other posters' comments on this thread, but I think it's a little presumptuous and unfair to think that those who prepare for, and discuss, apocalyptic scenarios are lacking in their spiritual lives and relationships with Christ. However, I do admit that I've sometimes gone a little overboard with such posits about TEOTWAWKI scenarios. Hark, although Christ told us only the Father in Heaven knows when Christ returns, He also told us to keep watch. Moreover, the Apocalypse of John was given to us for a reason, so we - with eyes to see and ears to hear - might know the signs and prepare for the coming events.

    To Bishop Williamson's credit, at least a few years ago (not exactly sure when), he did foretell the events now occurring in, and against, Russia in this . He basically states how Russia will be painted as the "boogeyman" (my words) by the West in order to galvanize support to target them with an imperialist campaign, whether it's military (just look at what's been happening in Ukraine and Syria - proxy warfare), cultural (the West painting Putin as a tyrant for criminalizing public fαɢɢօtry, fruit marriages and insults/mockery towards the Church), etc.; and Bishop Williamson states how Moscow might just be the 3rd Rome, and how Russians are undergoing a return to the Faith, although, they are not there yet because they are not Catholic. There might be more that I can't remember off the top of my head, but it's in the video linked to "interview" that's underlined above...  
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    « Reply #7 on: June 30, 2014, 03:24:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: ggreg
    Thing is Matthew, you and I are about the same age and I've heard this "end of the world as we know it" line for 35 years.  It has always been "just right around the corner".  Lots of the people I remember saying it are now dead, or as close to it as makes no difference.


    The thing about contemplating these types of subjects is that we are watching Satan's slow erosion of everything good in the world, one line item at a time.  Some people become fixated on the big picture of it all--which I do not think is a good or a bad thing.  

    Personally, I don't dwell on it anymore.  I am quite aware of the horrible degradation of Western Civilization and what Satan has in store for it, which is why nothing horrible in the news surprises me any longer.  I know what's coming, not only because I can put 2 and 2 together from news articles, but also because Christ and the Holy Scriptures tells us these things will happen.  

    Therefore, I focus on the near term, try to provide for me and mine, go to confession, Mass, and so on.  But that's just my personal approach.

    Here's a little something I read this weekend that I enjoyed considering, though.  It's from the Vox Day blog, which I like:

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    Christianity will survive its abandonment by Western civilization. Western civilization will not survive its abandonment of Christianity.


    It's from The Choice Facing the West.

    Personally, I think that at this point, Western society should be taken out into the desert and marched around for 40 years until a generation or two dies off.  Such is my disgust for what we've come to represent.  Our kids are inheriting a wasteland thanks to a collective gaggle of idiots.
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle


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    « Reply #8 on: July 01, 2014, 10:20:02 PM »
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  • ...but I never believed the Apocalypse would happen before the end of the first decade of the 21st century. I'm middle aged, and I grew up hearing all of the threats of a "red army invasion" and "nuclear war" being pumped into the minds of Americans through the years. In the '80s, one could not surf the channels without coming across at least one program talking about it. I used to laugh at the televangelists / evangelicals who would perpetually warn everyone of a Soviet invasion or attack. That's all those ding dongs ever talked about besides asking for money or selling some quackery. I didn't put any credence into Y2K. But now, and in recent years, many things seem to be coming together for the beginning of the "end". But, all we can do is live our lives in the Faith, and enjoy life as much as possible while being prudent and preparing as much as reasonably possible...
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)