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Offline bilbobaggins

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Purgatory
« on: January 18, 2022, 10:31:18 AM »
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  • Sorry I was unsure of where to post this question. I am reading the Divine Comedy by Dante and i was wondering if excommunicated Christians go to purgatory and then on to Heven as he seemed to indicate. I thought excommunicated Catholics would go to hell. 

    Offline DigitalLogos

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    Re: Purgatory
    « Reply #1 on: January 18, 2022, 10:33:41 AM »
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  • It would depend on whether they were reconciled, I believe. Obviously, if you're still excommunicated at death you are outside of the Church and would, logically, go straight to Hell.

    Dante also has some things in his work that are based on his own opinion, so this could be one of those (like St. Celestine V in Hell).

    From the Catholic Encyclopedia on "Excommunication" - Crypta
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    In chapter xii, de sepulturis (lib. III, tit. xxviii), Innocent III says: "The canons have established that we should not hold communion after their death with those with whom we did not communicate during their lifetime, and that all those should be deprived of ecclesiastical burial who were separated from the unity of the Church, and at the moment of death were not reconciled thereunto."
    "Any man who... attempts to deprive the Sacred Heart of divine worship and glory - thereby convicts himself of heresy." - Cdl. Manning

     "We can, then, say, that the soul is of as much value as the blood of a God." - St. Alphonsus Liguori, Sermon for the 2nd Sunday after Easter


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    Re: Purgatory
    « Reply #2 on: January 18, 2022, 11:16:17 AM »
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  • If the excommunication is valid, it is due to being in a mortal sin to which the code of canon law attaches the censure of excommunication - which is why such a person cannot receive the Holy Eucharist or Confirmation etc,. Excommunication also means that the person cannot be a Godparent, or an usher, or in the choir, etc., iow, he is prohibited from participating in the community of faithful, yet the person still has all the obligations of a Catholic, but none of the privileges.

    I could be wrong but I don't think it's possible for anyone to get excommunicated for a venial sin. 

    In short, if the censure is valid and the person dies unrepentant, he is lost forever. 
    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Purgatory
    « Reply #3 on: January 18, 2022, 03:57:41 PM »
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  • It would depend on whether they were reconciled, I believe. Obviously, if you're still excommunicated at death you are outside of the Church and would, logically, go straight to Hell.

    Dante also has some things in his work that are based on his own opinion, so this could be one of those (like St. Celestine V in Hell).

    From the Catholic Encyclopedia on "Excommunication" - Crypta:

    Yes that is why I wondered if perhaps it had not been declared in his time or if it has been declared either way.