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Protecting the environment or worshipping Moloch?
« on: August 28, 2015, 11:56:38 AM »
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  • Among Tradcats the attitude towards "caring for the Earth" (or maybe Big Sustainability, as The WAP calls the problem) tends to be negative.
    I'm not keen on Big Green as they want  to bring in the NWO to keep the planet safe from human hands.
    http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/agenda-21/
    While I think that Gaia is Moloch relabeled or even Babylon if the NWO arrives with environmental sensationalism, I have these questions:

    - is "stewardship of Creation" (as the NO puts it) actually Gaia worship?
    - should Catholics care for the environment?
    - can a Catholic save the planet without becoming a tree-hugger or a Communist?

    Please note that Bergy does not use my account; furthermore I acknowledge that while saving the planet is hard, saving souls is even harder and more important.

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    Protecting the environment or worshipping Moloch?
    « Reply #1 on: August 28, 2015, 08:47:22 PM »
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  • God created the environment.  We should be doing more to save our souls a priority.
    Restore All things in Christ.  
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)


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    Protecting the environment or worshipping Moloch?
    « Reply #2 on: October 20, 2015, 01:03:05 AM »
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  • Two great reference sources for you on the Gaia movement and UN Agenda 21.

    http://www.green-agenda.com/gaians.html

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    http://www.green-agenda.com/gaia.html

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    Protecting the environment or worshipping Moloch?
    « Reply #3 on: October 20, 2015, 03:25:37 AM »
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  • It's frighteningly pagan. Their loathing for the true Faith is evidemt. It is nothing less than a plot, a conspiracy, to set up a One World Government on the basis of Gaia-worship.

    Tolle lege, tolle lege: [thank you Brian R]
    [N.B. Democracy is a great evil, exalting Man over God.  I'm inclined to think the tyranny when it comes will be 'voted in' by a deluded population. I can envisage an environmentalist Antichrist. The opposition to Mohammmedanism in another article is a sham -- the European elite is taking in thousands]
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    The First Global Revolution

    The environmental movement has been described as the largest and most influential social phenomenon in modern history. From relative obscurity just a few decades ago it has spawned thousands of organisations and claims millions of committed activists. Reading the newspaper today it is hard to imagine a time when global warming, resource depletion, environmental catastrophes and 'saving the planet' were barely mentioned. They now rank among the top priorities on the social, political and economic global agenda.

    Environmental awareness is considered to be the mark of any good honest decent citizen. Multi-national companies compete fiercely to promote their environmental credentials and 'out-green' each other. The threat of impending ecological disasters is uniting the world through a plethora of international treaties and conventions. But where did this phenomenon come from, how did it rise to such prominence, and more importantly, where is it going?

    While researching for these articles, and during my academic studies, I have come across many references to the The Club of Rome (CoR), and reports produced by them. Initially I assumed that they were just another high-level environmental think-tank and dismissed the conspiracy theories found on many websites claiming that the CoR is a group of global elitists attempting to impose some kind of one world government.

    I am not a conspiratorial person by nature and was faced with a dilemma when I first read their reports. But it's all there - in black and white. The CoR claims that "we are facing an imminent catastrophic ecological collapse" and "our only hope is to transform humanity into a global interdependent sustainable society, based on respect and reverence for the Earth." In the end I came to the conclusion that there are two possibilities – either the CoR wrote all these reports and setup a vast network of supporting organisations just for fun or they actually believe what they have written and are working hard to fulfill their role as the self-appointed saviours of Gaia.

    Based on my close observation of their actions, and watching the recommendations made by the CoR many years ago now being adopted as official UN and government policy – well, I have become personally convinced that they are deadly serious. On this website I try to use quotes and excerpts as much as possible and let the reader reach their own conclusions.

    So, what exactly is the Club of Rome and who are its members? Founded in 1968 at David Rockefeller’s estate in Bellagio, Italy, the CoR describes itself as "a group of world citizens, sharing a common concern for the future of humanity." It consists of current and former Heads of State, UN beaureacrats, high-level politicians and government officials, diplomats, scientists, economists, and business leaders from around the globe.

    The Club of Rome subsequently founded two sibling organizations, the Club of Budapest and the Club of Madrid. The former is focused on social and cultural aspects of their agenda, while the latter concentrates on the political aspects. All three of these 'Clubs' share many common members and hold joint meetings and conferences. As explained in other articles on this website it is abundantly clear that these are three heads of the same beast. The CoR has also established a network of 33 National Associations. Membership of the 'main Club' is limited to 100 individuals at any one time. Some members, like Al Gore and Maurice Strong, are affiliated through their respective National Associations (e.g. USACOR, CACOR etc).

    I would like to start this analysis of the Club of Rome by listing some prominent members of the CoR and its two sub-groups, the Clubs of Budapest and Madrid. Personally it isn’t what the CoR is that I find so astonishing; it is WHO the CoR is! This isn’t some quirky little group of green activists or obscure politicians. They are the most senior officials in the United Nations, current and ex-world leaders, and the founders of some of the most influential environmental organisations. When you read their reports in the context of who they are – its gives an entirely new, and frightening, context to their extreme claims.

    Some current members of the Club of Rome or its two siblings:

    Al Gore – former VP of the USA, leading climate change campaigner, Nobel Peace Prize winner, Academy Award winner, Emmy winner. Gore lead the US delegations to the Rio Earth Summit and Kyoto Climate Change conference. He chaired a meeting of the full Club of Rome held in Washington DC in 1997.

    Javier Solana – Secretary General of the Council of the European Union, High Representative for EU Foreign Policy.

    Maurice Strong – former Head of the UN Environment Programme, Chief Policy Advisor to Kofi Annan, Secretary General of the Rio Earth Summit, co-author (with Gorbachev) of the Earth Charter, co-author of the Kyoto Protocol, founder of the Earth Council, devout Baha’i.

    Mikhail Gorbachev – CoR executive member, former President of the Soviet Union, founder of Green Cross International and the Gorbachev Foundation, Nobel Peace Prize winner, co-founder (with Hidalgo) of the Club of Madrid, co-author (with Strong) of the Earth Charter.

    Diego Hidalgo – CoR executive member, co-founder (with Gorbachev) of the Club of Madrid, founder and President of the European Council on Foreign Relations in association with George Soros.

    Ervin Laszlo – founding member of the CoR, founder and President of the Club of Budapest, founder and Chairman of the World Wisdom Council.

    Anne Ehrlich – Population Biologist. Married to Paul Ehrlich with whom she has authored many books on human overpopulation. Also a former director of Friends of the Earth and the Sierra Club, and a member of the UN's Global Roll of Honor.

    Hassan bin Talal – President of the CoR, President of the Arab Thought Forum, founder of the World Future Council, recently named as the United Nations 'Champion of the Earth'.

    Sir Crispin Tickell – former British Permanent Representative to the United Nations and Permanent Representative on the Security Council, Chairman of the ‘Gaia Society’, Chairman of the Board of the Climate Institute, leading British climate change campaigner.

    Kofi Annan – former Secretary General of the United Nations. Nobel Peace Prize Laureate.

    Javier Perez de Cuellar – former Secretary General of the United Nations.

    Gro Harlem Bruntland – United Nations Special Envoy for Climate Change, former President of Norway

    Robert Muller – former Assistant Secretary General of the United Nations, founder and Chancellor of the UN University of Peace.

    The Dalai Lama – The 'Spiritual Leader' of Tibet. Nobel Peace Prize Laureate.

    Father Berry Thomas – Catholic Priest who is one of the leading proponents of deep ecology, ecospirituality and global consciousness.

    David Rockefeller – CoR executive member, former Chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank, founder of the Trilateral Commission, executive member of the World Economic Forum, donated land on which the United Nations stands.

    Stephen Schneider – Stanford Professor of Biology and Global Change. Professor Schneider was among the earliest and most vocal proponents of man-made global warming and a lead author of many IPCC reports.

    Bill Clinton – former President of the United States, founder of the Clinton Global Iniative.

    Jimmy Carter – former President of the United States, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate.

    Bill Gates – founder of Microsoft, philanthropist

    Garret Hardin – Professor of Human Ecology. Originator of the 'Global Commons' concept. Has authored many controversial papers on human overpopulation and eugenics.

    Other current influential members:
    (these can be found on the membership lists of the COR (here, here, and here), Club of Budapest, Club of Madrid and/or CoR National Association membership pages)

    Ted Turner – media mogul, philanthropist, founder of CNN
    George Soros – multibillionare, major donor to the UN
    Tony Blair – former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
    Deepak Chopra – New Age Guru
    Desmond Tutu – South African Bishop and activist, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate
    Timothy Wirth – President of the United Nations Foundation
    Henry Kissinger – former US Secretary of State
    George Matthews – Chairman of the Gorbachev Foundation
    Harlan Cleveland – former Assistant US Secretary of State and NATO Ambassador
    Barbara Marx Hubbard – President of the Foundation for Conscious Evolution
    Betty Williams – Nobel Peace Prize Laureate
    Marianne Williamson – New Age 'Spiritual Activist'
    Robert Thurman – assistant to the Dalai Lama
    Jane Goodall – Primatologist and Evolutionary Biologist
    Juan Carlos I – King of Spain
    Prince Philippe of Belgium
    Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands
    Dona Sophia – Queen of Spain
    José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero – current Prime Minister of Spain
    Karan Singh – Former Prime Minister of India, Chairman of the Temple of Understanding
    Daisaku Ikeda – founder of the Soka Gakkai cult
    Martin Lees – CoR Secretary General, Rector of the UN University of Peace
    Ernesto Zedillo – Director of The Yale Center for the Study of Globalization
    Frithjof Finkbeiner – Coordinator of the Global Marshall Plan
    Franz Josef Radermacher – Founder of the Global Marshall Plan
    Eduard Shevardnadze – former Soviet foreign minister and President of Georgia
    Richard von Weizsacker – former President of Germany
    Carl Bildt – former President of Sweden
    Kim Campbell – former Prime Minister of Canada and Senior Fellow of the Gorbachev Foundation
    Vincente Fox – former President of Mexico
    Helmut Kohl – former Chancellor of Germany
    Romano Prodi – former Prime Minister of Italy and President of the European Commission
    Vaclav Havel – former President of the Czech Republic
    Hans Kung – Founder of the Global Ethic Foundation
    Ruud Lubbers – United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
    Mary Robinson – United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights
    Jerome Binde – Director of Foresight, UNESCO
    Koïchiro Matsuura – Current Director General of UNESCO
    Federico Mayor – Former Director General of UNESCO
    Tapio Kanninen – Director of Policy and Planning, United Nations
    Konrad Osterwalder – Under-Secretary-General of the United Nations
    Peter Johnston – Director General of European Commission
    Jacques Delors – Former President of the European Commission
    Domingo Jimenez-Beltran – Executive Director of the European Environment Agency
    Thomas Homer-Dixon – Director of Peace and Conflict Studies, University of Toronto
    Hazel Henderson – Futurist and 'evoluntionary economist'
    Emeka Anyaoku – former Commonwealth Secretary General, current President of the World Wildlife Fund
    Wangari Maathai – Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, founder of the Green Belt Movement
    and many more….

    The concept of 'environmental sustainability' was first brought to widespread public attention in 1972 by the Club of Rome in their book entitled The Limits to Growth. The official summary can be read here. The report basically concluded that the growth of the human population, and an increase in prosperity, would cause an ecological collapse within the next hundred years:

    “If the present growth trends in world population, industrialization, pollution, food production, and resource depletion continue unchanged, the limits to growth on this planet will be reached sometime within the next one hundred years. The most probable result will be a rather sudden and uncontrollable decline in both population and industrial capacity.”

    “It is possible to alter these growth trends and to establish a condition of ecological and economic stability that is sustainable far into the future. The state of global equilibrium could be designed so that the basic material needs of each person on earth are satisfied and each person has an equal opportunity to realize his individual human potential.”

    “The overwhelming growth in world population caused by the positive birth-rate loop is a recent phenomenon, a result of mankind's very successful reduction of worldwide mortality. The controlling negative feedback loop has been weakened, allowing the positive loop to operate virtually without constraint. There are only two ways to restore the resulting imbalance. Either the birth rate must be brought down to equal the new, lower death rate, or the death rate must rise again.”

    “The result of stopping population growth in 1975 and industrial capital growth in 1985 with no other changes is that population and capital reach constant values at a relatively high level of food, industrial output and services per person. Eventually, however, resource shortages reduce industrial output and the temporarily stable state degenerates.”

    “Man possesses, for a small moment in his history, the most powerful combination of knowledge, tools, and resources the world has ever known. He has all that is physically necessary to create a totally new form of human society - one that would be built to last for generations. The two missing ingredients are a realistic, long-term goal that can guide mankind to the equilibrium society and the Human Will to achieve that goal.”

    “Without such a goal and a commitment to it, short-term concerns will generate the exponential growth that drives the world system toward the limits of the earth and ultimate collapse. With that goal and that commitment, mankind would be ready now to begin a controlled, orderly transition from growth to global equilibrium.”

    So as you can see the even back in 1972 the Club considered modern industrial society to be completely unsustainable. They state that even if population was frozen at 1975 levels, and industrial activity at 1985 levels, then the earth’s ecosystems would still ultimately collapse. The CoR has not changed these views in the slightest, in fact, in the last three decades their warnings have become increasingly more urgent and alarmist. They call this imminent collapse the ‘World Problematique’ and their proposed solution the ‘World Resolutique.’

    The Limits to Growth is considered to be the most successful environmental publication ever produced and propelled the Club of Rome to its current position of an environmental thought-leader and a major consultant to the United Nations. It has been translated into more than forty languages and sold more than 30 million copies. Throughout the 1970s and 80s the concept that humanity was irreparably damaging the earth gained popularity and facilitated the formation of mainstream and activist environmental groups.

    All meetings of the CoR are held ‘behind closed doors’ and no public records are kept. However the Club does produce many ‘discussion reports’ that can be found on its website. The United Nations contracts the Club of Rome to prepare ‘Policy Guidance Documents’ which it uses in formulating its policies and programmes. A quick search for Club of Rome on the UNESCO publications site reveals 250 such documents. There are many other documents there authored by CoR members acting in other capacities. As many high ranking UN officials are actually CoR members, this is like a man asking himself for advice, and then agreeing with that advice. Not very objective! Various UN organisations also hold joint conferences with the CoR.

    While checking the Club of Rome website this morning the first item in their ‘current news’ section refers to a briefing delivered by the CoR to G8 officials in preparation for the upcoming G8 meeting. The second item is a summary report from the Club of Romes ’strategy planning retreat’ with 150 senior UNESCO officials. The joint CoR/UNESCO communique states:

    “We are at the end of an era – a turning point in history. We are approaching the threshold of runaway climate change. We underline the urgency of radical action to reduce emissions, by both immediate action and longer-term measures; to stress to political leaders the non-linear nature of the processes at work which will generate sudden change; and to assert that the overriding priority must be to avert the impending risk of catastrophic climate change.” - CoR/UNESCO communique

    Twenty years after the Limits to Growth the CoR published another major report that became an instant best-seller. In The First Global Revolution the Club of Rome claimed that the time to act had run out. It was now or never. Delay in beginning corrective measures will increase the damage to the world ecological system and ultimately reduce the human population that will eventually be supportable. They also stated that democratic governments are far too short-sighted to deal with the ‘problematique’ and new forms of governance are urgently required.

    In order not too violate any copyright protection I will not reproduce the text of the book on this site. However, it is permissible for me to quote a brief excerpt in the context of this wider discussion. The complete text (third ed.) can be read and searched online at Google Books. As you read the following quote (from page 75, first ed.), please remember the names of the leaders listed above. This is not some quirky little cult. This is the stated agenda of the leaders of the environmental movement:

    “This is the way we are setting the scene for mankind’s encounter with the planet. The opposition between the two ideologies that have dominated the 20th century has collapsed, forming their own vacuum and leaving nothing but crass materialism.

    It is a law of Nature that any vacuum will be filled and therefore eliminated unless this is physically prevented. “Nature,” as the saying goes, “abhors a vacuum.” And people, as children of Nature, can only feel uncomfortable, even though they may not recognize that they are living in a vacuum. How then is the vacuum to be eliminated?

    It would seem that humans need a common motivation, namely a common adversary, to organize and act together in the vacuum; such a motivation must be found to bring the divided nations together to face an outside enemy, either a real one or else one invented for the purpose.

    New enemies therefore have to be identified.
    New strategies imagined, new weapons devised.

    The common enemy of humanity is man.

    In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.

    The old democracies have functioned reasonably well over the last 200 years, but they appear now to be in a phase of complacent stagnation with little evidence of real leadership and innovation

    Democracy is not a panacea. It cannot organize everything and it is unaware of its own limits. These facts must be faced squarely. Sacrilegious though this may sound, democracy is no longer well suited for the tasks ahead. The complexity and the technical nature of many of today’s problems do not always allow elected representatives to make competent decisions at the right time.”

    So, long before Global Warming became a well known issue Al Gore and his Club of Rome colleagues stated that they would use the threat of global warming to unite humanity and "set the scene for mankind's encounter with the planet." In the same way that shamans and sooth-sayers in medieval times used their advance knowledge of when eclipses would occur to control and terrify their followers, they would use a natural phenomenon as their 'enemy' to achieve their objectives. But then they state that although Global Warming would be presented as the initial enemy, the real enemy of humanity would be portrayed as man himself. I am already noticing how frequently the terms climate change and overpopulation are being uttered in the same breath.

    Having discovered that all these influential environmental leaders were associated with the Club of Rome I set about reading all the reports, lectures and speeches on their website as well as the reports commissioned by the UN. I was amazed to find that they lay out their entire agenda for anyone who has eyes to see. Exactly the same themes, concepts and phrases are repeated continuously throughout their publications. They are full of references to 'imminent collapse', 'dying planet', 'our mother Gaia', 'wrenching transformation', 'united global society', 'global consciousness', 'new forms of governance' etc. They truly intend to bring about the world's First Global Revolution.

    The Kosmos Journal provides perhaps the best insight into their worldview. This Journal was founded by the Club of Rome in partnership with with several of its sibling organizations. As described in my article, The Green Web, the CoR has established a network of supporting organizations, each focusing on a different aspect of their agenda. The Kosmos Journal contains many articles written by CoR members. The basic premise of their worldview is:

    "Modern industrial civilisation is fast outstripping the Earth's natural regenerative and life-supporting capacity..."

    "At current rates of resource depletion and environmental degradation a near complete collapse of ecological integrity will occur within the next 100 years..."

    "Gaia, our Mother, who nutured humanity for countless millenia within her womb of evolution, is dying..."

    “A small window of opportunity now exists to transform humanity into a sustainable global interdepedant society based on respect and reverence for Earth..."

    "A radical change from the current trajectory is required, a complete reordering of global society..."

    "Humans only truly unite when faced with a powerful external enemy..."

    "At this time a new enemy must be found, one either real or invented for the purpose..."

    "Democracy has failed us, a new system of global governance, based on environmental imperatives, must be implemented quickly..."

    Now that Obama is firmly ensconced in the White House the Club of Rome and its affiliates are swinging into high gear. The CoR recently unveiled a new 3-year programme entitled A New Path for World Development. The Club of Madrid has launched the Road to Copenhagen, a joint programme with the UN Environment Programme intended to facilitate a binding global climate change treaty in 2009. Perhaps most interesting is the State of Global Emergency declared by the Club of Budapest in October 2008. The declaration states that we only have four or five years to prevent a total collapse of the Earth's ecosystems. To quote from the document:

    “If we continue on our present unsustainable path, by mid-century the Earth may become largely uninhabitable for human and most other forms of life. Such a total systems collapse could occur much sooner, however, due to runaway global warming or other ecocatastrophes, and/or by nuclear wars triggered by religious, ethnic or geopolitical conflicts or access to diminishing natural resources. The macro-trends driving these global threats and challenges have been apparent for decades and are now building toward a threshold of irreversibility. The scientific modeling of complex systems shows that when systems reach a state of critical instability, they either break down to their components or break through to a higher order of integral functioning. At these “points of no return” maintaining the status quo, or returning to a previous mode of organization and functioning, are not a feasible option.

    The acceleration of critical trends and cross-impacts among them indicates that the ‘window of opportunity’ for pulling out of the present global crisis and breaking through to a more peaceful and sustainable world is likely to be no more than four to five years from the end of 2008. This is close in time to the Mayan 2012 prophecy for the end of the current world. The period around the end of 2012 is likely to be a turbulent one for this and other reasons. Predictions coming from the physical sciences foresee disturbances in the geomagnetic, electromagnetic and related fields that embed the planet causing significant damage to telecommunications and impacting many aspects of human activity and health. For the esoteric traditions the end of 2012 will be the end of the known world, although the more optimistic intepretations speak of a new world taking the place of the old.”

    This may seem very strange – a group of prominent world leaders talking about ancient Mayan prophecies, but as I describe in my article, Gaia's Gurus, many leading global warming activists openly advocate earth-reverence and other New Age philosophies. Gaia, Global Warming, and Global Governance are intricately entwined, if one truly believes in Gaia, and that she is being fatally harmed by the current system, then a new system of global governance and control would appear to be the only answer. Global Warming provides the ideal 'enemy' to bring about this objective. It is easy for these global elitists to talk about sacrifice, wrenching transformation, population reduction and eliminating the use of fossil fuels but the implications are truely horrendous.

    Even if you think this is all nonsense I would ask you to at least read these quotes and excerpts, and think about the implications of their agenda. Everyday I am amazed at how quickly things are changing. It is coming hard and fast. It's almost like reading a book and then watching the television adaptation, except that this adaptation is not a movie - it's on the evening news. As Al Gore said in the closing sentence of his statement after he won the Nobel Peace Prize ... "This is just the beginning.


    As to if we should 'protect the planet' -- no. The Earth was given under Adam's dominion. Steer well clear. According to Father Joseph Rickaby S.J., a 20th century Thomist, animals have no rights nor Man any duties to them. Inflicting pain is permissible for food, clothimg etc or sport (e.g. shooting) but is to be avoided insofar as it hardens the heart and makes violence against men more likely (I suspect by confessor's advice in the case of sport, but this is just me guessing.

    There is no harm, however, in advocating 'back-to-the-land' nor seeing that the brute creation glorifies God.
    Let nothing fret you
    Nothing upset you
    Everything falters
    God never alters
    Patience withal
    Will obtain all.
    Who to God will cling
    Can lack for no thing.
    God alone suffices!


    Sacred Heart of Jesus, I put in you all the trust I can lay my h

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    Protecting the environment or worshipping Moloch?
    « Reply #4 on: October 21, 2015, 03:19:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly

     I have these questions:

    - is "stewardship of Creation" actually Gaia worship? (objectively) No
    - should Catholics care for the environment? Only if they are sane.
    - can a Catholic save the planet without becoming a tree-hugger or a Communist? No person, Catholic or otherwise, can "save the planet". We should respect creation, as God's work and possession.

    ... I acknowledge that while saving the planet is hard, saving souls is even harder and more important. You are absolutely correct here!


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    « Reply #5 on: October 22, 2015, 04:42:59 AM »
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  •  is "stewardship of Creation" (as the NO puts it) actually Gaia worship?

    From Genesis 2:15
    15 The LORD God then took the man and settled him in the garden of Eden, to cultivate and care for it.

     

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    « Reply #6 on: October 22, 2015, 04:44:36 AM »
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  • should Catholics care for the environment?

    Why not? We live here.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 22, 2015, 04:48:56 AM »
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  • Please note that Bergy does not use my account; furthermore I acknowledge that while saving the planet is hard, saving souls is even harder and more important.

    What Pope Benedict is saying in Laudatio Si is that taking care of the environment and saving souls go hand in hand. In his encyclical he condemned abortion and transgenderism.  

    http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html


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    « Reply #8 on: October 22, 2015, 11:01:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    should Catholics care for the environment?

    Why not? We live here.


    Sure, protect and cherish the world around you. Just don't be ignorant and unconsciously participate in the pervasive "sustainability" movement, since that's a Trojan Horse for soft communism infiltration. Learn to recognize UN Agenda 21 propaganda, or you will be a willing participant and a useful idiot to Catholicism's enemies.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 22, 2015, 11:14:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    Among Tradcats the attitude towards "caring for the Earth" (or maybe Big Sustainability, as The WAP calls the problem) tends to be negative.
    I'm not keen on Big Green as they want  to bring in the NWO to keep the planet safe from human hands.
    http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/agenda-21/
    While I think that Gaia is Moloch relabeled or even Babylon if the NWO arrives with environmental sensationalism, I have these questions:

    - is "stewardship of Creation" (as the NO puts it) actually Gaia worship?
    - should Catholics care for the environment?
    - can a Catholic save the planet without becoming a tree-hugger or a Communist?

    Please note that Bergy does not use my account; furthermore I acknowledge that while saving the planet is hard, saving souls is even harder and more important.


    It's good to be aware that there's social engineering going on in most areas of our society, but I think that we still need to care about our enviroment at least to the extent that we try to not use chemicals on our fruits, vegetables, grains, dairy, and meat, if possible.

    I worked part-time in hospital in-patient care, often in oncology, and have seen first-hand the increase in cancer rates, and I think that using chemicals has had a lot to do with this. Genetic engineering of our plants is also problematic. There's increasing gluten-intolerance, and I think it has to do with the increase in gluten in wheat through genetic engineering. The chemical company Monsanto has especially been quilty in supporting genetic engineering.

    Buying, growing, or raising organic foods is a good thing, but I suppose it can be carried too far, like anything else.
    "This forum is a space for discussion to defend the Catholic Faith following Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre. It is therefore not for rallying to the conciliar church nor for sedevacantism"
    - From the French Resistance forum (Francophone forum, in France)

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    Protecting the environment or worshipping Moloch?
    « Reply #10 on: October 23, 2015, 01:32:14 PM »
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    Among Tradcats the attitude towards "caring for the Earth" (or maybe Big Sustainability, as The WAP calls the problem) tends to be negative.
    I'm not keen on Big Green as they want  to bring in the NWO to keep the planet safe from human hands.
    http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/agenda-21/
    While I think that Gaia is Moloch relabeled or even Babylon if the NWO arrives with environmental sensationalism, I have these questions:

    - is "stewardship of Creation" (as the NO puts it) actually Gaia worship?
    - should Catholics care for the environment?
    - can a Catholic save the planet without becoming a tree-hugger or a Communist?

    Please note that Bergy does not use my account; furthermore I acknowledge that while saving the planet is hard, saving souls is even harder and more important.


    It's good to be aware that there's social engineering going on in most areas of our society, but I think that we still need to care about our enviroment at least to the extent that we try to not use chemicals on our fruits, vegetables, grains, dairy, and meat, if possible.

    I worked part-time in hospital in-patient care, often in oncology, and have seen first-hand the increase in cancer rates, and I think that using chemicals has had a lot to do with this. Genetic engineering of our plants is also problematic. There's increasing gluten-intolerance, and I think it has to do with the increase in gluten in wheat through genetic engineering. The chemical company Monsanto has especially been quilty in supporting genetic engineering.

    Buying, growing, or raising organic foods is a good thing, but I suppose it can be carried too far, like anything else.


    Keep in mind that communists have historically used the Hegelian dialectic to achieve their goals. That is, they first create the problem, and then they also create the solution which represents their initial goal. In this case, create the problem of contaminated food and water, and then drive people locally to support "sustainable" agriculture that is free of contamination.

    If you research this plan, you will find that it is based on the Soviet model -- that is, communities growing food locally to support their own needs. Private property is a thing of the past in this model, and everyone becomes a part-time farmer. This is one of the many transformational goals of UN Agenda 21.

    Recall that private property ownership is the backbone of the Constitutional Republic of the US, and it is essential to freedom of the individual. When Lenin took control of Russia in 1917, the first thing he did was kill the farmers who knew how to be independent and grow food on their own land. The central banking families that funded the Bolsheviks are the same ones who are financially supporting UN Agenda 21.


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    Protecting the environment or worshipping Moloch?
    « Reply #11 on: October 24, 2015, 10:46:42 AM »
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    Among Tradcats the attitude towards "caring for the Earth" (or maybe Big Sustainability, as The WAP calls the problem) tends to be negative.
    I'm not keen on Big Green as they want  to bring in the NWO to keep the planet safe from human hands.
    http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/agenda-21/
    While I think that Gaia is Moloch relabeled or even Babylon if the NWO arrives with environmental sensationalism, I have these questions:

    - is "stewardship of Creation" (as the NO puts it) actually Gaia worship?
    - should Catholics care for the environment?
    - can a Catholic save the planet without becoming a tree-hugger or a Communist?

    Please note that Bergy does not use my account; furthermore I acknowledge that while saving the planet is hard, saving souls is even harder and more important.


    It's good to be aware that there's social engineering going on in most areas of our society, but I think that we still need to care about our enviroment at least to the extent that we try to not use chemicals on our fruits, vegetables, grains, dairy, and meat, if possible.

    I worked part-time in hospital in-patient care, often in oncology, and have seen first-hand the increase in cancer rates, and I think that using chemicals has had a lot to do with this. Genetic engineering of our plants is also problematic. There's increasing gluten-intolerance, and I think it has to do with the increase in gluten in wheat through genetic engineering. The chemical company Monsanto has especially been quilty in supporting genetic engineering.

    Buying, growing, or raising organic foods is a good thing, but I suppose it can be carried too far, like anything else.


    Keep in mind that communists have historically used the Hegelian dialectic to achieve their goals. That is, they first create the problem, and then they also create the solution which represents their initial goal. In this case, create the problem of contaminated food and water, and then drive people locally to support "sustainable" agriculture that is free of contamination.

    If you research this plan, you will find that it is based on the Soviet model -- that is, communities growing food locally to support their own needs. Private property is a thing of the past in this model, and everyone becomes a part-time farmer. This is one of the many transformational goals of UN Agenda 21.

    Recall that private property ownership is the backbone of the Constitutional Republic of the US, and it is essential to freedom of the individual. When Lenin took control of Russia in 1917, the first thing he did was kill the farmers who knew how to be independent and grow food on their own land. The central banking families that funded the Bolsheviks are the same ones who are financially supporting UN Agenda 21.


    Well, yes, if we suddenly are forced to grow non-chemical food without owning the land we farm on, then that will be a problem. I don't see private property going away anytime soon, but it could happen. We're due for a chastisement of some sort.

    Yes, private property is the backbone of our country. At least the Protestants and agnostics who made up the constitution knew the importance of it. Unfortunately, "freedom" can be carried too far, such as in legislating same-sex unions and other abominations such as abortion.
    "This forum is a space for discussion to defend the Catholic Faith following Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre. It is therefore not for rallying to the conciliar church nor for sedevacantism"
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