One small speech by a doomed President on secret societies,

one giant clue for the secrecy of the Society of SSPX.




This has A LOT of telling phrases:  


"The very word, 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open Society.
And we are, as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to
secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.  But we
are opposed, around the world, by a monolithic and ruthless
conspiracy, that relies primarily on covet means for expanding its
sphere of influence, on infiltration instead of invasion, on
subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead
of free choice.  It is a system which has conscripted vast human
and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly
efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence,
economic, scientific and political operations.  

"It's preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are
buried, not headlined.  Its dissenters are silenced, not praised.
No expenditure is questioned, no secret is revealed.  That is why
the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink
from controversy.  I am asking your help in the tremendous task of
informing and alerting the American people, confident that with your
help, man will be what he was born to be:  free and independent."






Tell me this doesn't sound like +Fellay's Secret Society!!


We are opposed, around the world,

by a ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily

on covet means for expanding its sphere of

influence:  on infiltration, subversion, intimidation.

Its preparations are concealed, not published.  

Its mistakes are buried, not headlined.

Its dissenters are silenced not praised.

No expenditure is questioned.

No secret is revealed.

I am asking your help in the tremendous task

of informing and alerting the American people.




This could be the banner motto of the Resistance in America --
right out of a speech from JFK 10 days before his assassination.  

How more appropriate than that could anyone get?

The speech does mention secret societies, but it is NOT about them.  You need to here the entire speech in it's entirety here:  http://archive.org/details/jfks19610427

Although I know that my intervention will not stop the race to the bottom, it may help someone who actually cares to put things in it's entire context.

The Above Top Secret paranoia strikes again.  This speech was given before the American Newspaper Publishers Association (now called the Newspaper Association of America) on April 27th, 1961, nearly a year and seven months before his assassination.

The purpose of the speech was to touch upon what Kennedy saw as one of the chief problems of the post-WWII era: balancing the Constitutional demand for transparency of government with the prevailing view of those in government regarding the need for increased rigor of security with regard to information, namely clandestine information-gathering and covert operation.  The thrust of his speech insofar as "secret societies" are concerned was that, in fighting (or as the case may be, appearing to fight) communism, it was the obligation of government to preserve as much as possible the transparency of governmental action, which is absolutely necessary for the informed exercise of democratic consent, i.e. voting.  His caution was that in contesting with the Soviet Union, which for political reasons is left unnamed, it was paramount that the government not become that which it was fighting against, as the methods of the former were fundamentally opposed with an open, democratic society.

Of course, Kennedy, an Americanist at heart despite whatever Catholic upbringing he enjoyed, was unable to understand that the naturalism of the West could never eclipse the naturalism of the East.  When man removes Christ the King from government, and the Catholic religion from its divinely-establish primacy in civil affairs, atheism is inevitable, whether the overt atheism of communism or atheism of indifferentism enshrined in Constitution of the United States.

Quote from: Neil Obstat

"Ziggy Sake, Ziggy Sake, OY-OY-OY!!!"

You're more effective an entertaining when making fun of my English shortcomings then you are with evaluating the merits... that is to say, what is the actual meaning of this speech.

Making FUN???  When did I make "fun" of your shortcomings??
So I'm less effective with evaluating the merits of this speech?

Maybe this speech is good for what it can be used for TODAY, because
it was given what, 51 years ago?  Its present usefulness can be based
on whose words they were to begin with.  That might be effective!

Which, come to mention it -- whose words are "Ziggy Sake," etc.?

Rats!  And here I was, hoping you could translate this for me.....

INTO ENGLISH!!!!!!     HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Maybe this speech is good for what it can be used for TODAY, because
it was given what, 51 years ago?  Its present usefulness can be based
on whose words they were to begin with.  That might be effective!

Maybe, but if you only use some convenient parts out of context and subvert the meaning of some terms and give them a new meaning, what you have is at best historical illiteracy, at worst, dishonesty.  Not effective.

Yes, re-reading great speeches, and great works of literature and giving them meaning for us today is very noble and useful thing to do, but there is comprehension of the original intent that is necessary, if you are to re-interpret.

By the way, I only intervened to state what JFK did not say... your metaphor on the church, I skipped over it, I don't really care.

It's high time you go play somewhere else, RbM !

P.S. My eyes and mind stell me this, not my ears...