Author Topic: Pope visits ѕуηαgσgυє (Read 1582 times)

St Jude Thaddeus · « **on:** January 17, 2010, 02:19:38 PM »

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60G0VW20100117?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Top+News%29

Jєωs have asked that the Vatican wartime archives be opened for study and Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Silvan Shalom repeated the request to the pope privately at the ѕуηαgσgυє.

Does anybody know why they want to get into those archives so badly? Is it just to see if they can dig up some more "dirt" or are they looking for something specific?

CM · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2010, 03:12:51 PM »

Q. And if satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand?

A. It shall not.

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An Italian Jєωιѕн leader told Pope Benedict Sunday that his wartime predecessor Pius XII should have spoken out more forcefully against the h0Ɩ0cαųst to show solidarity with Jєωs being led to the "ovens of Auschwitz."

Ovens? I thought it was supposed to be gas chambers.
:furtive:

Raoul76 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2010, 03:35:22 PM »

I would guess there will be some docuмents showing Pius XII helped Jєωs and they will make this anti-Christ a saint.

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2010, 08:03:38 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

I would guess there will be some docuмents showing Pius XII helped Jєωs and they will make this anti-Christ a saint.

Point entirely missed. The Jєωs, and everyone else on the Earth except for you and maybe five other people not currently institutionalized and therefore unable to access the Internet, accept Pope Pius XII as a legitimate pontiff. The Jєωs, with some exceptions, are not trying to prove that Pius protected the Jєωs during WWII. Just the opposite. They believe that it was Pius's number one priority during the war to protect them, and since he didn't go before the world with a blow-by-blow condemnation of the nαzιs and the h0Ɩ0cαųst, he was somehow remiss in his duties. His actions count for nothing in their eyes; it's his lack of a specific mention of the h0Ɩ0cαųst that rankles. Remember, these are liberals to whom deeds mean very little; orthodoxy in progressive speech is primordial.

What I wanted to know is if anyone is aware of some specific docuмent that these Jєωs want to find in the Vatican archives, related or not to the h0Ɩ0cαųst. Are they just fishing for something "juicy" to use in their anti-Catholic polemics or do they have a specific docuмent in mind?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2010, 09:01:35 PM »

No, the point is not missed. You missed the point, which is the Hegelian dialectic by which Satan has convinced the world that the argument should be about whether Pius XII should have or did save Jєωs, when that should be irrelevant to any Catholic. The real argument about Pius XII should be about his teaching of a liberal doctrine on EENS and his speech allowing NFP.

The irony by which Pius XII has come to be defended as conservative is priceless. It reminds me of my days as a pagan when someone who "cheated" was bad, but if you were faithful to someone you were living in sin with, you were considered moral.

This is all relative morality but relative morality is not Catholicism. Catholicism is Catholicism. Pius XII is not magically rendered conservative because Jєωs think he didn't do enough to alleviate their plight. This is a huge red herring, smoke and mirrors, if I may mix my metaphors. Ever seen a smoky red herring reflected to infinity? There you go.

CM · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2010, 09:06:40 PM »

Quote from: St Jude Thaddeus

The Jєωs, and everyone else on the Earth except for you and maybe five other people not currently institutionalized and therefore unable to access the Internet, accept Pope Pius XII as a legitimate pontiff.

I know of at least 18 people whose position it is that Pius XII was an antipope - and I'm just one guy.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2010, 09:26:34 PM »

A True Pope would never enter a ѕуηαgσgυє, protestant church,
a Muslim mosque, and a pagan temple.
By doing so, he is giving bad example, that one religion is as
good as an another, and that there are many roads to
heaven. The Church has always taught to the contrary
that there is no salvation outside the Church.
This is only unique to the post vatican 2 church. Pope
Pius X11 and his predecessors clear back to Pope
Saint Peter would never considered such a move.
Instead insist that all the Faithful pray for the
conversion of all non catholics.

Arborman · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2010, 11:16:13 PM »

Why can't we have a Catholic Pope instead of this heretic?
:shocked:

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #8 on:** January 18, 2010, 01:05:03 AM »

I thought we were supposed to confine the Home-Alone, everyone-except-me-is-a-heretic Protestantism to the "Church in Crisis" subforum.

And the sedevacantist proselytizing.

Time for a vacation. :cool:

greenhill · « **Reply #9 on:** January 18, 2010, 04:56:03 PM »

Quote from: CM

Q. And if satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand?

A. It shall not.

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An Italian Jєωιѕн leader told Pope Benedict Sunday that his wartime predecessor Pius XII should have spoken out more forcefully against the h0Ɩ0cαųst to show solidarity with Jєωs being led to the "ovens of Auschwitz."

Ovens? I thought it was supposed to be gas chambers.
:furtive:

I am sorry but I just can´t resist this!

If they had a lot of ovens at Auschwitz it proves they were all well fed.......... :roll-laugh1:

trad123 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 18, 2010, 05:41:15 PM »

Would it not be dangerous to even joke about the h0Ɩ0cαųst being that you're in Germany, will all the denial laws. Although, I'm not saying you deny this dogma.

CM · « **Reply #11 on:** January 18, 2010, 05:57:30 PM »

Quote from: St Jude Thaddeus

I thought we were supposed to confine the Home-Alone, everyone-except-me-is-a-heretic Protestantism to the "Church in Crisis" subforum.

And the sedevacantist proselytizing.

Time for a vacation. :cool:

SJT, you brought up. YOU are the one who posted in the wrong section. Look at the title of your thread and tell me it's not "Crisis in the Church" material.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #12 on:** January 18, 2010, 07:06:03 PM »

I have a better question...

Is there any specific docuмent they would like to get a hold of in order to DESTROY it?

There was an accident today in the Vatican Archives. One of the researchers of the h0Ɩ0cαųst Museum of Rome "accidentally" removed some unimportant docuмents from the Archives. The docuмents however have been lost. The Israeli government, on behalf of the h0Ɩ0cαųst Museum of Rome, would like to make a cash compensation to the Vatican.

I dont think the Vatican makes duplicates of legitimate docuмents.

trad123 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 18, 2010, 09:05:02 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Samurai

There was an accident today in the Vatican Archives. One of the researchers of the h0Ɩ0cαųst Museum of Rome "accidentally" removed some unimportant docuмents from the Archives. The docuмents however have been lost. The Israeli government, on behalf of the h0Ɩ0cαųst Museum of Rome, would like to make a cash compensation to the Vatican.

Where are you quoting this from? I can't find anything on Google.

Or are you just being sarcastic?

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #14 on:** January 19, 2010, 07:50:54 PM »

Quote from: trad123

Quote from: Catholic Samurai
There was an accident today in the Vatican Archives. One of the researchers of the h0Ɩ0cαųst Museum of Rome "accidentally" removed some unimportant docuмents from the Archives. The docuмents however have been lost. The Israeli government, on behalf of the h0Ɩ0cαųst Museum of Rome, would like to make a cash compensation to the Vatican.

Where are you quoting this from? I can't find anything on Google.

Or are you just being sarcastic?

Oh, Im sorry! I was giving a sarcastic example. That wasnt real.

I was trying to make a point. The Vatican needs to keep them out because the Archives is our treasure vault.