Author Topic: Pope Pius XIII (Read 1069 times)

klasG4e · « **on:** May 08, 2018, 10:14:12 PM »

Powerful!

Centroamerica · « **Reply #1 on:** May 08, 2018, 10:36:03 PM »

(((Hollywood))) or (((whoever))), maybe Netflix, in making a series about a hardcore Traditional and strict pope who takes the name Pius, are saying they understand the Church more than they put off.

Cantarella · « **Reply #2 on:** May 08, 2018, 10:51:41 PM »

I love this! Spoken as a true Pope.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** May 09, 2018, 12:48:39 AM »

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The first video already has an error.
Minute 1:33 he says "We are cement."
That's a mistake. He's using an imprecise term. Should be "We are concrete."
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Cement is only the glue that holds aggregate together.
The aggregate, including sand, is necessary to maintain stable conditions while the cement cures.
Otherwise, only cement will have weaknesses due to premature drying out of the mix due to evaporation consequent to heat generated by the process of curing, and without aggregate the weaknesses cannot be anticipated or controlled.
Being only cement is more expensive and less desirable.
It's not only extravagant, it's wasteful and inadequate.
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So minute 1:33 could equally be replaced with "We are extravagant" and "We are wasteful" and "We are inadequate."

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** May 09, 2018, 12:50:58 AM »

Quote from: Centroamerica on May 08, 2018, 10:36:03 PM

(((Hollywood))) or (((whoever))), maybe Netflix, in making a series about a hardcore Traditional and strict pope who takes the name Pius, are saying they understand the Church more than they put off.

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Where was the Swiss Guard?
The person who held a penlight laser pointing it at the Pope would have been apprehended on the spot if the Swiss Guard were there.
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If they wanted it to be authentic, it would be all in Latin with English subtitles.
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Centroamerica · « **Reply #5 on:** May 09, 2018, 06:33:37 AM »

I watched the first episode on streaming. Not a good series in my opinion.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #6 on:** May 09, 2018, 08:20:50 AM »

But we already had a Pope Pius XIII.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #7 on:** May 09, 2018, 08:21:22 AM »

It's exploring some interesting concepts ... but it makes Pius XIII seem very full of himself, to the point of making Traditionalists look bad?

When he's giving that homily, he mutters that the people don't deserve him and then childishly storms off.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #8 on:** May 09, 2018, 08:44:47 AM »

In the first episode he obliged the confessor of the cardinalate to tell the sins confessed then makes a blasphemous confession of apostasy. This is another Hollywood Borgia style series except in modern context. Not to be praised by traditionalists at all.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #9 on:** May 09, 2018, 09:11:12 AM »

Quote from: Centroamerica on May 09, 2018, 08:44:47 AM

In the first episode he obliged the confessor of the cardinalate to tell the sins confessed then makes a blasphemous confession of apostasy. This is another Hollywood Borgia style series except in modern context. Not to be praised by traditionalists at all.

I think I'll pass. Thank you for the tip.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #10 on:** May 09, 2018, 09:29:33 AM »

I've not watched the show but everything I've read about it indicates that it's ethos is a criticism of Catholic Tradition (which is exactly why I've stayed away). Pope Pius XIII (played by Jude Law whose a pretty vocal anti-Christian, if that didn't tip you off) in the show seems to represent a "Do you really want to go back to that?" sentiment. Not saying the show is favorable of the Novus Ordo explicitly (except in the regard that it subverts Catholic Tradition), but that the general tenor of it is that the pope all the conservatives want is a wicked, selfish, God-despising man in the trappings of regal religion.
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I've also heard there's some pretty explicit and depraved impurity in the show, which I suppose comes with the HBO territory.

klasG4e · « **Reply #11 on:** May 09, 2018, 10:56:24 AM »

Quote from: klasG4e on May 08, 2018, 10:14:12 PM

Powerful!

Just to be clear -- my OP should not be taken as any kind of endorsement, blanket or otherwise, of the two clips, let alone the series which has all kinds of obvious flaws, small as well as big, from a traditional Catholic point of view. That doesn't mean, however, you can't sit back and enjoy a bit of the make believe drama.

You can watch an atom or nuclear bomb go off and rightly exclaim, "Powerful!" That doesn't mean you like who made the bomb, the agenda of those behind the bomb, or what the bomb actually did.

It is in this light/context that I stick by my original simple comment of the OP: "Powerful!"

Ladislaus · « **Reply #12 on:** May 09, 2018, 11:36:03 AM »

Quote from: klasG4e on May 09, 2018, 10:56:24 AM

Just to be clear -- my OP should not be taken as any kind of endorsement, blanket or otherwise, of the two clips, let alone the series which has all kinds of obvious flaws, small as well as big, from a traditional Catholic point of view. That doesn't mean, however, you can't sit back and enjoy a bit of the make believe drama.

You can watch an atom or nuclear bomb go off and rightly exclaim, "Powerful!" That doesn't mean you like who made the bomb, the agenda of those behind the bomb, or what the bomb actually did.

It is in this light/context that I stick by my original simple comment of the OP: "Powerful!"

Sure, I enjoyed the first clip ... taken in isolation, but the broader context of the show would make it unwatchable to me (not to mention the impurity someone else mentioned).

Matthew · « **Reply #13 on:** May 09, 2018, 11:41:07 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on May 09, 2018, 11:36:03 AM

Sure, I enjoyed the first clip ... taken in isolation, but the broader context of the show would make it unwatchable to me (not to mention the impurity someone else mentioned).

This.
Being a deep thinking person, if the series tends to make Traditionalists look bad I will notice that loud and clear, and I will be utterly unable to enjoy the show on ANY level.

I ask myself, "how does this show make me FEEL". And yes, TV and movies are all about manipulating feelings. If you FEEL more like Trads are backwards, bad guys, evil, etc. then you better believe that 99 out of 100 watchers will both FEEL and BELIEVE that to a greater degree after watching the show, compared with before they encountered this show.

I might be able to be objective and have my reason override my feelings -- but that is a rare gift, sad to say. Most of the "sheep" will get brainwashed.

And thus, I would consider it propaganda and basically hate it.

Cantarella · « **Reply #14 on:** May 09, 2018, 11:59:55 AM »

Quote from: klasG4e on May 09, 2018, 10:56:24 AM

Just to be clear -- my OP should not be taken as any kind of endorsement, blanket or otherwise, of the two clips, let alone the series which has all kinds of obvious flaws, small as well as big, from a traditional Catholic point of view. That doesn't mean, however, you can't sit back and enjoy a bit of the make believe drama.

Well, I enjoyed the couple of clips. I did notice the egocentrism that Ladislaus mentioned, on the second video. But overall, I like his attitude. I rather see this type of Pope and not this travesty:

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