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Offline Klaus

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« on: May 22, 2012, 06:28:52 PM »
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  • From p.161 of Emma Fattorini's Hitler, Mussolini and the Vatican:

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    In the experience of Italian Jєωs, as indeed in the books and films that have recalled that dark moment in Italian history, the most agonising memory is that of Jєωιѕн students banished from public elementary and secondary schools just as they were about to return for the new academic year. This wound on national memory has a precise date - 5 September 1938 - when, at the end of the summer vacation, the regime issued a decree entitled "Measures for the defense of the race in fascist schools."

    The day after the racist decree, 6 September, the pope pronounced what may have been his clearest statement on anti-Semitism. With a trembling voice, he spoke to pilgrims from Belgian Catholic Radio on the sacrifice of Abraham; at the invitation of the pope himself, Monsignor Picard, president of the radio, carefully transcribed the discourse:

    At this point the pope could no longer control his emotions... and it was with tears in his eyes that he cited the passages from Saint Paul that describe our spiritual descent from Abraham... 'Listen carefully: Abraham is our patriarch, our ancestor. Anti-Semitism is not compatible with the sublime thought and reality evoked by this text. Anti-Semitism is a hateful movement with which we as Christians must have no involvement... Through Christ and in Christ we are the spiritual descendents of Abraham... every time I read the words "the sacrifice of our father Abraham," I cannot help but be profoundly moved. Christians are not permitted to take part in anti-Semitism. We recognise that everyone has a right to self-defence and can undertake those actions necessary to protect his legitimate interests. But anti-Semitism is inadmissible. Spiritually we are all Semites.'


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    « Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 07:12:15 PM »
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  • " Anti-Semitism is a hateful movement"

    So isn't "Anti-Goyism".

    No one wants to talk about the Jєωs involvement in nation or culture wrecking.

    It's all about evil Germans and Italians persecuting innocent Semites just minding their own business. :rolleyes:



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    « Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 07:24:26 PM »
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  • How were Jєωs "wrecking" Italian culture between 1922 and 1938, when the Fascists were in power but no nαzι-inspired race legislation existed?

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    « Reply #3 on: May 22, 2012, 07:29:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: Klaus
    How were Jєωs "wrecking" Italian culture between 1922 and 1938, when the Fascists were in power but no nαzι-inspired race legislation existed?


    They were heavily involved in the Fascist regime.  They were also high in the Ustashe.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 22, 2012, 07:32:16 PM »
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  •  :facepalm:


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    « Reply #5 on: May 22, 2012, 07:35:46 PM »
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  • I will be honest, I don't put much stock in this woman's work.  However I am familiar with someone who has Ustashe family roots, he has stated that one the chiefs in charge Jasenovac camps was Jєωιѕн.  Of course, the rate of death in Croatia and Bosnia and Jasenovac are greatly exaggerated.

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    The Ustase's "Honorary Aryans"

    Author Hannah Arendt on the destruction of Croatia's Jєωιѕн Community, and the manner in which "assimilated" Jєωs lingered on until rather late in the war in Zagreb.


    The great body of middle class Jєωs, so characteristic of Western and Central Europe, did not exist in the East; in its stead we find a thin layer of upper-middle-class families who actually belonged to the ruling classes and the degree of whose assimilation - through money, through baptism, through inter-marriage - to Gentile society was infinitely greater than that of most Jєωs in the West.

    Among the first countries in which the executors of the Final Solution were confronted with these conditions was the puppet state of Croatia, in Yugoslavia, whose capital was Zagreb. The Croat government, headed by Dr. Ante Pavelic, very obligingly introduced anti-Jєωιѕн legislation three weeks after its establishment, and when asked what was to be done with the few dozen Croat Jєωs in Germany, it sent word that they 'would appreciate deportation to the East.' The Reich Minister of the Interior demanded that the country be judenrein by February, 1942, and Eichmann sent Hauptsturmfuhrer Franz Abromeit to work with the German police attache in Zagreb.

    The deportations were carried out by the Croats themselves, notably by members of the strong fascist movement, the Ustashe, and the Croats paid the nαzιs thirty marks for each Jєω deported. In exchange, they received all the property of the deportees. This was in accordance with the Germans' official 'territorial principle,' applicable to all European countries, whereby the state inherited the property of each murdered Jєω who had resided within it boundaries, regardless of his nationality.

    ...The original deadline of February, 1942, could not be met, because Jєωs were able to escape from Croatia to Italian-occupied territory, but after the Badoglio coup Hermann Krumey, another of Eichmann's men, arrived in Zagreb, and by the fall of 1943 thirty thousand Jєωs had been deported to the killing centers.

    Only then did the Germans realize that the country was still not judenrein. In the initial anti-Jєωιѕн legislation, they had noted a curious paragraph that transformed into 'honorary Aryans' all Jєωs who made contributions to 'the Croat cause.' The number of these Jєωs had of course greatly increased during the intervening years. The very rich, in other words, who parted voluntarily with their property were exempted.

    Even more interesting was the fact that the S.S. Intelligence service had discovered that nearly all members of the ruling clique in Croatia, from the head of government to the leader of the Ustashe, were married to Jєωιѕн women. The fifteen hundred survivors among the Jєωs in this area - five per cent, according to a Yugoslav government report - were clearly all members of this highly assimilated, and extraordinarily rich, Jєωιѕн group.

    And since the percentage of assimilated Jєωs among the masses in the East has often been estimated at about five per cent, it is tempting to conclude that assimilation in the East, when it was at all possible, offered a much better chance for survival than it did in the rest of Europe.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 22, 2012, 07:37:33 PM »
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  • Klaus,

    You are a breath of fresh air here.

    Sadly, you are wasting your time.  It is an unquestionable orthodoxy here that Jєωs are evil.  All of them, all the time.  Suggest otherwise, even when quoting a pope that even sedevacantists recognize, is to be called all sots of names.  Banging your head against this wall will hurt you way more than it hurts the wall.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #7 on: May 22, 2012, 07:38:03 PM »
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  • Let's make something perfectly clear:

    Anyone who supports the current ʝʊdɛօ-masonic power structure in the West, where Jєωs play a dominant role in media and finance, and are actively anti-Christian, is someone who is totally against the Catholic Faith and is an absolute enemy of the Social Reign of Christ the King.

    Men such as the East German lawyer, with his passionate defense of miniskirts, is clearly a toxic, deadly enemy of Christian values in society, and that accounts for his insinuation into the management of SSPX affairs.

    It is nothing less the Bishop Fellay playing the role of Iscariot to hire such a man.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 22, 2012, 07:40:43 PM »
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  • ...so the involvement of some Jєωs in Croatian (and, until the 1938 racial laws) Italian Fascism proves what? That Pius XI was wrong in what he said?

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    « Reply #9 on: May 22, 2012, 07:43:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: Klaus
    ...so the involvement of some Jєωs in Croatian (and, until the 1938 racial laws) Italian Fascism proves what? That Pius XI was wrong in what he said?


    You asked how were the Jєωs wrecking the culture.

    I would presume they were playing a role.  We don't need to know all the perfidious tricks they play, yet we always see them insinuating themselves into powerful positions.


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    « Reply #10 on: May 22, 2012, 07:44:45 PM »
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  • So, do you agree or disagree with Pope Pius XI's words on anti-Semitism?


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    « Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 07:53:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: Klaus
    So, do you agree or disagree with Pope Pius XI's words on anti-Semitism?


    I believe that his use of the word antisemitism does not corresponds to the use of the word by LICRA and the ADL.  Or to the use that PC deniers of the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic conspiracy use to tarnish the work of men like Archbishop Lefebvre, who spoke clearly of the Jєωιѕн menace to the Catholic Faith.

    I think, as a counter-balance to this, we should consider the words of St. Pius V in Hebraorum Gens.


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    Referido exclusivamente al cuмplimiento de lo dispuesto con respecto a los
    bienes de los judíos, demostrando el rigor con que el santo implementó la medida.
    26 de febrero de 1569
        "[...] [1] A tal grado ha llegado su impiedad [la de los judíos] imbuida de todo género de pésimas artimañas, que para común salvaguardia de los nuestros se ha hecho necesario ponerle remedio, conteniendo rápidamente la fuerza de tanto mal. Porque omitiendo las variadas modalidades de usura con las que los hebreos arruinaron por doquier el patrimonio de los cristianos indigentes, creemos ser suficientemente claros que encubrieron y cooperaron con ladrones y asaltantes, que a fin de no ser descubiertos, se ven obligados a deshacerse, ocultar temporalmente, vender o transformar completamente las cosas -no sólo las de uso profano sino también las que sirven al culto divino- que les sustrajeron y usurparon. Muchos también, con el pretexto de despachar asuntos inherentes a su oficio, merodean por las casas de mujeres honestas y arrojan a muchas en ignominiosas rufianerías; y lo peor de todo es que entregándose a sortilegios, encantamientos, supersticiones v maleficios mágicos, inducen a muchos incautos e ignorantes a los engaños de Satanás, haciéndoles creer que pueden predecir el futuro, los robos, la ubicación de tesoros, revelar lo oculto y que pueden conocerse muchas otras cosas que ningún mortal tiene realmente poder alguno para adivinar. Por fin, hemos investigado y conocemos muy bien cuántas calumnias profiere esta raza perversa contra el nombre de Cristo, cuan hostil es hacia todos los que se precian de ese nombre y, en fin, con qué insidias amenaza sus vidas[2]. Inspirados en estas y otras gravísimas razones y conmovidos por la gravedad de los crímenes que aumentan día a día para ruina de nuestra sociedad, considerando además que la mencionada raza, excepto algunas vituallas que trae de Oriente, no es de utilidad alguna para nuestra República; que nuestros pueblos, particularmente los que están un poco más lejos de Nos, [por lo mismo] se prestarían más fácilmente a secundar a los personeros, los flagelos y vilezas que otros les acarreasen, lo cual no será ningún estímulo de esa caridad como la que actualmente existe en su seno.

      § 1. Por la autoridad de estas letras, ordenamos que todos los hebreos de uno y otro sexo dentro de los tres meses siguientes a su publicación abandonen por completo los límites de nuestra jurisdicción temporal y de las ciudades, territorios y lugares, de señoríos, baronazgos o de otros patronos temporales, incluidos los que tiene potestad mera, mixta, de vida y muerte o cualquier otra jurisdicción o exención.

      § 2. Transcurridos los cuales, los habitantes o viajeros actuales o futuros que de cualquier modo se encuentran en cualquier ciudad, territorio o lugar de la citada jurisdicción, aun en las de patronos, barones, señores u otros de los predichos exentos, sean despojados de todos sus bienes y se destinen al fisco conforme a la ley, y sean hechos siervos de la Iglesia Romana, quedando sometidos a perpetua esclavitud, debiéndose adjudicar a la Iglesia los mismos derechos sobre ellos que los demás patronos tienen sobre sus siervos y posesiones. Quedan exceptuadas las ciudades de Roma y Ancona, donde permitimos que sean tolerados solamente los hebreos que actualmente viven en ellas, con el objeto de estimular el recuerdo de que antes se hizo mención [3] y continuar con los orientales el tráfico e intercambio mutuo, a condición de que se comprometan a acatar las demás constituciones canónicas nuestras o de nuestros predecesores que les conciernen; caso contrario, incurrirán inmediatamente en todas las penas previstas en dichas constituciones, las cuales aquí renovamos. Esperamos, pues, que quienes están particularmente cerca de Nos y de esta Sede abandonen sus supersticiones por temor al castigo, y que mientras tanto algunos -como ya antes también sucedió a buen número en virtud de nuestras exhortaciones-reciban con alegría la luz de la verdad. E indiferentes en cuanto a los demás, si desean evitar el yugo de la servidumbre y los castigos, nunca se trasladen o viajen a otro lugar de dicha jurisdicción, ni brinden acogida a cualquier de los expulsados. Mandamos por tanto a todos los representantes, gobernadores, presidentes, pretores y magistrados, como así también a las autoridades de lugar, patronos, barones, señores y a los mencionados exentos de todas las provincias, ciudades y lugares de la citada jurisdicción, y a todo aquel a quien corresponda, que cada uno por sí mismo y sin esperar ninguna otra providencia o declaración nuestra ejecute inmediatamente lo dicho, cuidando solícitamente de que. en lo sucesivo ningún hebreo, por cualquier causa que fuese, jamás ingrese en esas provincias, ciudades y lugares, aún en las de patronos, barones o de los citados exentos. Y cualquiera, aún de los que viven en Roma o Ancona, que pasados los próximos tres meses sea hallado en cualquier parte de la mencionada jurisdicción, incluso en aquella que corresponda al dominio temporal de los mismos patronos, barones, señores y exentos, sea inmediatamente reducido a perpetua esclavitud como siervo de la mencionada Iglesia. A los cuales también informamos que impondremos sobre sus cervices penas más graves, a fin de que con su ejemplo los demás aprendan lo que implica no tener cuidado de nuestras prohibiciones.

      § 3. [Cláusula de revocación y abolición de todo cuanto pueda dejar sin efecto lo que aquí se dispone, privándose además de todo efecto a lo que se haga a sabiendas o con ignorancia de estas letras.]

      § 4. [Clásula de estilo a fines de la publicación.]

          § 5. Por lo tanto, a nadie le está permitido en modo alguno, etc.

      Dado en Roma junto a San Pedro, año de la Encarnación del Señor de mil quinientos sesenta y nueve, cuatro de las calendas de marzo", año IV de nuestro pontificado" [4].

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    « Reply #12 on: May 22, 2012, 07:56:05 PM »
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  • So... do you agree or disagree with Pope Pius XI's words on anti-Semitism?

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    « Reply #13 on: May 22, 2012, 08:01:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: Klaus
    So... do you agree or disagree with Pope Pius XI's words on anti-Semitism?


    I agree with them insofar as they have to do with Faith and Morals.

    Do you agree with the words of St. Pius V on the Jєωs, being a perverse race destroying his society?

    Yes or no?

    If no, then I think it proves you are a hypocrite to accuse us of racial antisemitism for our resistance to the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic power on the basis of papal authority.

    But if you are from Germany, as might be suggested by your username, and therefore raised to hate your own nation and your own religion, in favor of the religion of Christ's cruficiers, then it doesn't surprise me you attempt to use the words of Pius XI to bludgeon those who resist the enemies of Christ's Church.

     
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    How can the Pope pray with the enemies of Jesus Christ? These Jєωs know and say and believe that they are the successors of the Jєωs that killed Jesus Christ, and they continue to fight against Jesus Christ everywhere in the world.


    -Archbishop Lefebvre.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 22, 2012, 08:01:40 PM »
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  • Por fin, hemos investigado y conocemos muy bien cuántas calumnias profiere esta raza perversa contra el nombre de Cristo, cuan hostil es hacia todos los que se precian de ese nombre y, en fin, con qué insidias amenaza sus vidas[2]. Inspirados en estas y otras gravísimas razones y conmovidos por la gravedad de los crímenes que aumentan día a día para ruina de nuestra sociedad, considerando además que la mencionada raza, excepto algunas vituallas que trae de Oriente, no es de utilidad alguna para nuestra República

    Was St. Pius V antisemitic?

    Yes or No?