Author Topic: Pope Gregory X against antisemitic blood libels (Read 4081 times)

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 28, 2012, 10:13:57 AM »

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But did he say all Semites would go to Hell?

Catholics should be philo-Semitic, given that Semitism is not a false religion. Same goes for any other race or ethnicity.

Yeah well Judaism is a false religion.

clare · « **Reply #31 on:** May 28, 2012, 11:04:39 AM »

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Quote from: clare

But did he say all Semites would go to Hell?

Catholics should be philo-Semitic, given that Semitism is not a false religion. Same goes for any other race or ethnicity.

Yeah well Judaism is a false religion.

Indeed. But Judaism and Semitism are not synonyms.

Catholics should be anti-Judaism (and anti-any other false religion), but not αnтι-ѕємιтє (or anti-any other race).

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 28, 2012, 11:10:49 AM »

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Indeed. But Judaism and Semitism are not synonyms.

Catholics should be anti-Judaism (and anti-any other false religion), but not αnтι-ѕємιтє (or anti-any other race).

If you haven't noticed αnтι-ѕємιтє is a term used by the Left against the Right to silence opposition.

clare · « **Reply #33 on:** May 28, 2012, 11:35:28 AM »

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Indeed. But Judaism and Semitism are not synonyms.

Catholics should be anti-Judaism (and anti-any other false religion), but not αnтι-ѕємιтє (or anti-any other race).

If you haven't noticed αnтι-ѕємιтє is a term used by the Left against the Right to silence opposition.

I don't let them define it.

Anti- means opposed to.
Semitic means of the race of Sem.

So, the Left use the term too broadly. They are wrong to do so, and we are wrong if we agree that anti-Semitism is anti-Judaism. Semitic and Jєωιѕн are not the same,

So we should not proudly claim to be anti-Semitic just because the Left think we are.

alaric · « **Reply #34 on:** May 28, 2012, 05:27:52 PM »

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Quote from: clare

But did he say all Semites would go to Hell?

Catholics should be philo-Semitic, given that Semitism is not a false religion. Same goes for any other race or ethnicity.

Yeah well Judaism is a false religion.

Indeed. But Judaism and Semitism are not synonyms.

Catholics should be anti-Judaism (and anti-any other false religion), but not αnтι-ѕємιтє (or anti-any other race).

Oh you are so naive, with many Jєωs their race is their religion, just like they are so quick to accuse the "nαzιs" of the same.

Judaism is all about what's good for Jєωs and hatred of the nonJєω.

And they equate race and religion as being one in the same.

It's as simple as that.

The Orthodox don't even believe that you can be a Jєω unless your biological mother was one, it's all about race with these people and their "religion".

When they talk about "semitism" they are talking of religion and their race/ethnicity. And they set the rules and parameters, not you, not popes, non nonJєωs, no one but them.

But I will agree with you that not all semites are "Jєωs".

clare · « **Reply #35 on:** May 29, 2012, 06:38:55 AM »

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Quote from: clare

But did he say all Semites would go to Hell?

Catholics should be philo-Semitic, given that Semitism is not a false religion. Same goes for any other race or ethnicity.

Yeah well Judaism is a false religion.

Indeed. But Judaism and Semitism are not synonyms.

Catholics should be anti-Judaism (and anti-any other false religion), but not αnтι-ѕємιтє (or anti-any other race).
Oh you are so naive, with many Jєωs their race is their religion, just like they are so quick to accuse the "nαzιs" of the same.

Judaism is all about what's good for Jєωs and hatred of the nonJєω.

And they equate race and religion as being one in the same.

It's as simple as that.

The Orthodox don't even believe that you can be a Jєω unless your biological mother was one, it's all about race with these people and their "religion".

When they talk about "semitism" they are talking of religion and their race/ethnicity. And they set the rules and parameters, not you, not popes, non nonJєωs, no one but them.

So what? Who cares what adherents of a false religion believe?

Objectively, Judaism and Semitism are not the same.

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But I will agree with you that not all semites are "Jєωs".

Hence, we should not be anti-Semitic. QED.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #36 on:** May 29, 2012, 06:50:05 AM »

Most Jєωs in "Israel" and the U.S. are NOT Semitic people anyway. The Palestinians are the real Semitic people.

alaric · « **Reply #37 on:** May 29, 2012, 03:51:47 PM »

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Most Jєωs in "Israel" and the U.S. are NOT Semitic people anyway. The Palestinians are the real Semitic people.

Exactly.

I could never really be an antisemite anyway, some of my best friends are Arabs! :wink:

Caraffa · « **Reply #38 on:** May 30, 2012, 05:19:07 PM »

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Catholic Bulletin[/i], August 1916, p. 438]Jєωs must consider Christians to be very uncritical and gullible if they think they can be induced to accept this docuмent as a papal declaration that ritual crime does not exist. It is obvious that the Sovereign Pontiff merely gives instructions according to general principles, ordering that the Jєωs should not be unjustly oppressed or molested. He makes no pronouncement whatever regarding the truth or falsehood of the specific charges. Naturally, he must leave the decision regarding this point to the judgment of the bishops to whom he writes. Least of all was he likely to be impressed by the sophistry that ritual crime could not exist among the Jєωs because it was forbidden in the sacred Scriptures. None could know better than he that it was not the teaching of the Scriptures, but the infamous teachings of the тαℓмυd that caused people to look upon Jєωs as a grave danger to society.

The above refers to Pope Innocent IV's views on ritual murder, but these words can also be applied to Pope Gregory X's. In other words, the Popes were hoping that these accusations were false, but some of them were not. Further, other popes along with these ones condemned certain abuses, but not that the thing did not actually exist.