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Offline RomanCatholic1953

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Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
« on: January 09, 2020, 08:38:10 AM »
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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #1 on: January 09, 2020, 08:55:43 AM »
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    • When they start polling actual Catholics, let me know.
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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #2 on: January 09, 2020, 09:02:20 AM »
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    • 1) Protestant religion does not exist, it is just individuals doing what ever they want, millions of churches of one individual, so it is inaccurate to say that Protestants are more moral than Catholics.

    2) 95+% of Catholics are Catholic only because they were unknowingly baptized as infants, that makes them Catholic, but in name only.

    3) The Novus Ordo religion of Vatican II is not Catholic, and it is it that teaches all the errors that the article is focusing on, it is the Vatican II religion's "pope", "bishops", and "clergy" that teaches the false religion to the Catholics in name only.


    St. Peter Julian Eymard – Bad Catholic vs Good Protestant

    People often say, “It is better to be a good Protestant than a bad Catholic.” That is not true! That would mean that one could be saved without the true faith. No. A bad Catholic remains a child of the family, although a prodigal; and however great a sinner he may be, he still has a right to mercy. Through his faith, a bad Catholic is nearer to God than a Protestant, for he is a member of the household, whereas the heretic is not. And how hard it is to make him become one!

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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #3 on: January 09, 2020, 09:21:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on January 09, 2020, 08:55:43 AM
    When they start polling actual Catholics, let me know.

    Right, I've recently pointed out that 95%+ of alleged NO Catholics are in fact not even Catholic ... by their own polls.  And this is the crowd that R&R claims gives "Universal Acceptance" to Bergoglio.  Really?  That proves something?  I mean this poll ALONE just on moral issues, eliminates 65% of them.  Now if you throw in doctrinal issues, that will eliminate 90% of the remaining 35%.  THIS ALONE suffices to demonstrate that the Novus Ordo is completely bereft of the FOUR MARKS of the Church, one of which, holiness, includes in particular holiness of doctrine.

    95% of TRADITIONAL Catholics would acknowledge that there are serious positive doubts about whether Bergoglio is a Catholic.
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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #4 on: January 09, 2020, 10:33:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 09, 2020, 09:21:50 AM
    Right, I've recently pointed out that 95%+ of alleged NO Catholics are in fact not even Catholic ... by their own polls.  And this is the crowd that R&R claims gives "Universal Acceptance" to Bergoglio.  Really?  That proves something?  I mean this poll ALONE just on moral issues, eliminates 65% of them.  Now if you throw in doctrinal issues, that will eliminate 90% of the remaining 35%.  THIS ALONE suffices to demonstrate that the Novus Ordo is completely bereft of the FOUR MARKS of the Church, one of which, holiness, includes in particular holiness of doctrine.

    95% of TRADITIONAL Catholics would acknowledge that there are serious positive doubts about whether Bergoglio is a Catholic.
    I'm not in the dogmatic Sedeplenist camp, or at least I'm not convinced to be, but again I don't see how this argument is useful when 5% of the Novus Ordo numerically eclipses 95% of trads.

    Doesn't that still give you pretty close to moral unanimity?

    Mind you, I don't think most "orthodox" Novus Ordos are sure that Francis is a Pope either, though they're probably sure of the other conciliar claimants.
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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #5 on: January 10, 2020, 11:29:31 PM »
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    • I wonder how true that really is.
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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #6 on: January 12, 2020, 10:22:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on January 10, 2020, 11:29:31 PM
    I wonder how true that really is.
    Poche:
    So you doubt the truthfulness of the Pew Research Center!  I took a sample poll at my local novas ordo parish and they
    agreed with this Pew Poll. 
    Hard to believe that Catholics of the older generation, 50 years and older are so liberal.
    Many identified themselves as cafeteria Catholics. And they have a right to deny Catholic teachings.
    They are very confident that they will be in heaven after they die.
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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #7 on: January 12, 2020, 10:35:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on January 09, 2020, 10:33:45 PM
    I'm not in the dogmatic Sedeplenist camp, or at least I'm not convinced to be, but again I don't see how this argument is useful when 5% of the Novus Ordo numerically eclipses 95% of trads.

    Doesn't that still give you pretty close to moral unanimity?

    No, but you've inverted the notion of Universal Acceptance.  There is no universal ACCEPTANCE of Bergoglio.  What you're arguing is that there's no Universal Rejection.  Lack of Universal Rejection does not constitute Universal Acceptance.

    [As you admit, there are increasing numbers of Catholics among those 5% who remain Catholic calling into question the orthodoxy of Jorge Bergogio.]
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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #8 on: January 12, 2020, 11:02:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 12, 2020, 10:35:17 AM
    [As you admit, there are increasing numbers of Catholics among those 5% who remain Catholic calling into question the orthodoxy of Jorge Bergogio.]
    Yes, but they still think Vatican II is Catholic or that Ratzinger is the pope.
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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #9 on: January 12, 2020, 02:09:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on January 12, 2020, 10:22:11 AM
    Hard to believe that Catholics of the older generation, 50 years and older are so liberal.
    The free love Woodstock hippy girls of the 1960's are now 63 to 76 years of age. The highest STD rates are to be found in over 55 communities. The old image of grandma no longer applies for anyone but those over like 80 years of age. The average grandma today is a veteran of multiple divorces, tattooed, man chasing fornicator.
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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #10 on: January 13, 2020, 03:10:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on January 12, 2020, 10:22:11 AM
    Poche:
    So you doubt the truthfulness of the Pew Research Center!  I took a sample poll at my local novas ordo parish and they
    agreed with this Pew Poll.  
    Hard to believe that Catholics of the older generation, 50 years and older are so liberal.
    Many identified themselves as cafeteria Catholics. And they have a right to deny Catholic teachings.
    They are very confident that they will be in heaven after they die.
    Many years ago Cardinal Gibbons attacked this proposition. He published the birth statistics of various countries. The predominantly Catholic countries at the time showed statistically that children born out of wedlock were in the single digits. In the predominantly Protestant countries the rate of out of wedlock births was above the 10% mark.
    Recently there was the synod of the family and for example in Latvia, a predominantly Protestant country, the rate of divorce in general was pegged at around 86%. Yes, among them some of the divorces were from Catholic marriages. However the Catholic marriages had a rate of divorce that was less than 20%.
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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #11 on: January 13, 2020, 07:57:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on January 13, 2020, 03:10:31 AM
    Many years ago Cardinal Gibbons attacked this proposition.

    He died in 1921, so yes MANY years ago, long before Vatican II.  What does that have to do with what is happening today?  Another dishonest argument.
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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #12 on: January 13, 2020, 09:24:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 13, 2020, 07:57:06 AM
    He died in 1921, so yes MANY years ago, long before Vatican II.  What does that have to do with what is happening today?  Another dishonest argument.
    James Cardinal Gibbons (1834-1921) is more contemporary (albeit slightly so) than Saint Peter Julian Eymard (1811-1868) cited by Last Tradhican.
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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #13 on: January 13, 2020, 01:23:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on January 10, 2020, 11:29:31 PM
    I wonder how true that really is.

    Me too.  I have heard that polls should not be trusted.
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    Re: Poll: Protestants more moral than Catholics
    « Reply #14 on: January 13, 2020, 01:27:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: moneil on January 13, 2020, 09:24:13 AM
    James Cardinal Gibbons (1834-1921) is more contemporary (albeit slightly so) than Saint Peter Julian Eymard (1811-1868) cited by Last Tradhican.

    Yes, Poche (a 'Hero Member' here at CathInfo) is most likely correct in claiming that many years ago Cardinal Gibbons attacked the proposition.
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