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Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith
« Reply #215 on: October 01, 2016, 11:40:49 AM »
Wisdom 13:2 says,

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.....but have imagined either the fire, or the wind, or the swift air, or the CIRCLE of the stars, or the great water, or the sun and moon, to be the gods that rule the world.
 

This would imply that the Earth is the center of the stellar circle, a mathematical intent.


Excellent point Cassandar, it would indeed.



Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith
« Reply #216 on: October 01, 2016, 09:39:56 PM »
Quote from: geremia

Geostaticism is the term I've seen scholars (e.g., Galileo expert Maurice Finnochiaro) use.


This word can be confused with geostatistics ..and statics has a different meaning in physics than immovable.

There's no single word in common usage to correctly express the Earth's centrality and immobility.... the proper name to use is open to suggestions.

Quote from: cassini

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1- Now from 1905 the world of science has admitted H was never proven nor G falsified.
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2- Relative motion was the best science could offer, with H & G only scientific possibilities.
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3- But why did Churchmen continue 'accepting' heliocentrism and the error that the 1616 decree had been falsified after 1905?
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1- In my world of science there are many who deny HC was never proven (even though the Big Bang is the current favorite) or claim GC was  falsified.
There are the liberal mainstream masters who revel in their power and control over what science is to be believed....and then the herd of sheep that follow them in invincible ignorance.
Contradicted by Revelation, philosophical realism and the scientific method, machts nichts -  they slide further into the moral abyss.

2- Relative motion has been refuted for dynamical predictions from the laws of physics. Only GF is scientifically possible.

Why doesn't MS physics believe this?...after all, the experimental evidence satisfies the sci. method.  
Because it would destroy the fable that Galileo proved the Church was wrong. Led by the prince of darkness they have chosen to love the darkness rather than the Light.

3- Intimidation certainly was a factor then as it is today. Christ and the early Christians stood up to mocking and ridicule; why can't the clerics of today?
In fact the early Christians lived every day, hiding in fear of the Jews.....cf. St.John
Same as they today, cassini.

Quote from: happenby

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Quote from: Cassandar

..speaking of debunking... the floating ships on the horizon, beyond the curvature horizon, are well- known optical effects of temperature inversion. A layer of warm air over a cold one bends the light path(refraction) to form images that are beyond the horizon.


Bahahaha! Not a prayer. Temperature inversion? Warm air over cold? Smoke and mirrors? What rock did you dig this up from under? It has long ago been proven by many (including me) in every condition imaginable that ships that seemingly disappear great distances from a viewer have not disappeared behind the curve, rather, cameras zooming in prove ships to be visible on the horizon long after they "disappear". Without the help of the camera, it is ASSUMED the ship went below the curve because the unaided eye is unable to see it beyond a certain point. This is the kind of easy to find information you should check first before attempting to discuss something like flat earth.

Logically FE would be ignored using realism and the scientific method...But the FE folks don't subscribe to objective facts or reasoning. And the attempt to associate FE with the Earth's immobility and centrality makes it an annoying pest that distracts from the truth.  
Links to the truth can be given - as below - but FE fans would just ignore them.
Here's an easy to find fact that makes FE disappear over the logical horizon.
http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/graphics/photos/supmirg2.gif
http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/elements/supmrge.htm

It really is true - Empty barrels make the most noise.

It seems time for turnabout - where's that Hide button?
btw:  Kudos for winning the MIB award - Most Ignored By votes

AMDG


Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith
« Reply #217 on: October 03, 2016, 11:24:55 PM »
Quote from: Cassandar


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Here is correctly described a branch of mechanics called kinematics - the study of physical measurement using distance, speed, acceleration....and time. Relative motion in kinematics is as certain as 2+2 = 4.
BUT... Dynamics is the branch of physics that PREDICTS future motion based on kinematics, mass and forces. In dynamics the laws of motion (Newton and Maxwell) only correctly predict future motion if the Earth (lab/ground) is used as a reference frame for an observer! Newton's Bucket anomaly and his 2nd law are examples of the uniqueness of the Earth in applying the laws of natural motion.
It is dynamics that reveals the Earth as the only immovable platform from which trajectories can be foretold...
Although this uniqueness is easily made manifest, the mainstream demagogues of physics ignore the facts in fear of the consequences:
- the Church was right and Galileo/Copernicus were wrong
- the Big Bang and relativity -special and general - are a colossal hoax ...bigger than 9/11
- the centrality and immobility of Earth can mean only one thing... the God denied by the modern atheists EXISTS.  


Quote from: happenby


1- Where on earth are you getting the idea that mass and force aren't included in kinematics? Where do you think the motions are being calculated from?

2- Your statement that the laws of motion are only correct if the Earth is used as a reference frame is patently false. Shifting between frames of reference is trivial. There is nothing in "dynamics" as you call it which requires any given frame of reference.

3- Also, what you call dynamics is encompassed under my original statements.

4- Also, calling relativity a "colossal hoax" is colossally ignorant. There's a reason the theory of relativity is held up as virtually untouchable.

5- It correctly predicted numerous previously unknown phenomena, many of which no one would have even thought to look for if they hadn't been predicted by said theory.

6- The original example is the bending of light around the sun so that stars behind it can be seen "through" it during an eclipse.

7- There are many others like that. When a model correctly predicts complex phenomena, it's a pretty sure sign that the model is working, and so it becomes a scientific "law".  
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1- Here's where I get my facts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinematics
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Kinematics is the branch of classical mechanics which describes the motion of points (alternatively "particles"), bodies (objects), and systems of bodies without consideration of the masses of those objects nor the forces that may have caused the motion.

Dynamics (mechanics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamics_(mechanics)
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Dynamics is a branch of applied mathematics (specifically classical mechanics) concerned with the study of forces and torques and their effect on motion, as opposed to kinematics, which studies the motion of objects without reference to its causes.

2- As posted before...and obviously ignored -
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The geovariant law of dynamics solves the rotational paradox of Newton's Bucket , proposed in the 1687 Principia and unsolved....until now.  
For a description of NB....but not a solution, see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_argument

In the lab frame of Newton the centrifugal force law correctly predicts a curved water surface, since he sees the water moving in a circle.
The core of the NB anomaly is that an observer co-moving with the bucket (the bucket's rest frame of reference) will predict a flat surface , contrary to fact, using the  Centrifugal Force law, since he sees the water at rest!  So the laws of rotational physics  - the CF law, in this case- only are valid in the lab/Earth frame!  
This is GeoVariance, not covariance...and the exposing of relativity as only valid for kinematics...i.e., for measurement of relative motion.

GV also holds for linear dynamics...
A car heading north accelerates past a hitch-hiker.
The driver of the car (accelerating in the lab frame) feels inertial forces pushing him into the seat, as predicted by Newton’s 2nd law..F = ma.
We have all experienced this force.
BUT… the HH feels NO inertial forces, even though the HH is accelerating from the car driver's point of view,  so F = ma applied in the car reference frame would predict – FALSELY – that the HH would feel inertial forces, too.

Newton's 2nd law applies only in the ground/Earth/lab frame, just like the CF law in Newton's Bucket.

The proof of geovariance and geostatism has always been right before our eyes, since Newton and Mach debated the philosophical and physical meaning of the NB test.  The lovers of darkness, the dark energy and dark matter demagogues, have blinded themselves to the truth.

Contrary to the stiff-necked mavens of mainstream physics,  the laws of physical motion ONLY apply for an Earth observer, demolishing relativity's claim as a hypothesis in agreement with testing...as the sci method demands.  The  immobility of the Earth and its primacy in the universe is restored to its original role, as revealed in Holy Scripture.


3- You have said nothing that distinguishes kinematics form dynamics...force and mass are not even mentioned.

4- Relativity is untouchable, a leper in science...logically,  its contradictions make it so.
Relativity is a hoax foisted on the docile dupes by the liberal demagogues .  As stated before -
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The two postulates of Special Relativity are
1) Speed of Light(SoL) is constant = c in all reference frames
2) The laws of motion are equivalent in all inertial ref. frames...inertial covariance.
Consider the second logical method ...
#1 is false- from the results of any gas(non-vacuum) interferometer test.
Sol = c +- v, where v is the aether speed
#2 is false from the 2005 Wang Fiber Optic Conveyor test. The results are only valid in the lab/Earth frame ..and aether is dragged along with the conveyor.  Sol = c +- v is only true in the lab frame.
Both SR premises are experimentally proven false, so no further consideration of SR is possible.  Doing so would be worse than just being wrong.


5- Really? Name three ..and why they are unique evidence of relativity.

6- The Sun is enveloped in the photosphere- a gas of thin plasma which refracts light rays from the stars..
The same effect - refractive bending of light is caused by the Earth's atmosphere. There's nothing that classical physics can't explain about this phenomenon.  
Extinction shift

7- When the premises of a theory are false..as shown above for Special Relativiy, then anything based on such an inconsistency is unpredictable. What is True may be T or F.   What is F may be T or F...or both!

Suppose we add 1=2 to the rules of arithmetic...a false assumption, just like the false assumptions of SR.

if we add 1=2 and 1=2 we get 2=4 which is F
if we add 1=2 and 2=1 we get 3=3 which is T!

SR also can prove the same fact is T and F!  This is perfect for our mainstream masters to weave deceptions and distractions in emulating the
prince of lies.
So experimental proof of SR is worthless!

AMDG