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Another one -- a growing number of people today, including some Catholics, are starting to believe in extraterrestrials (UFOs, intelligent life from other planets, solar systems, galaxies), and even time travel.  

Really? Name one. I can't.

I've never met a Trad Catholic (and I know a LOT) who believe in aliens. Every Trad I've ever met knows the reality of so-called "aliens" being demons. Honestly, I have never met a Trad who thought there was "life on other planets."

Not to worry, mw2016, he's talking about heliocentrists.  Many do believe in aliens but that's because they are infected with globalism.

Agreed.

You two are apparently confusing the evil that is "globalism" which lies in its quest for NWO one world government and such, with the thought that the earth is a "globe."  If you are correct that the earth is flat, then that former evil notion should be termed "flat-earthism" rather than "globalism" because the those evil forces are not truly seeking dominion over a globe.  You are then, in fact, guilty of aiding and abetting in perpetuating the lie by acquiescing and going along with calling it "globalism."

It is all hiding in plain sight...globalism encompasses both.  You simply have to open your eyes.  Devil worshiping globalists have indoctrinated us with lies in order to enslave us.  They've worked on this for centuries really. Satan has successfully recreated the earth in his own image just in time for the coming of the antichrist.  Satan controls the world because most people believe demonic lies about man's origins rather than God's Word.  And as long as we believe the devil, he owns us. We know that lies enslave, and we know we are becoming more enslaved by the globalists, yet we cannot see our own participation in this?  Heliocentrism is the grandfather of evolution, Big Bang, millions year old earth, global warming, limited resources, space aliens, and NASA (which means "to deceive").  All are part of the deception to maintain shock and awe lest we turn to the really impressive Almighty God. Globalists can't jack up prices and enrich themselves, control governments, legislate fake green laws, scare us enough, or punish us quite the same if we didn't all fall for the false theory that embodies our understanding of the world around us.  And lets not forget the related problem of overpopulation for which they have the perfect solution. Funny how consistently globalists promote their evils as they work hoof in hand with NASA's heliocentric globe earth and godless version of the origin of man, which is the opposite of scripture's geocentric flat earth abundant with the goodness of God reality. But perhaps these are all mere coincidences lost on you.  

I don't recollect any stories of any sailors sailing off the edge of the earth in 2008.

How in the world did this thread on geocentrism morph to a great degree into one about a supposed flat earth?  Can't the flat earth discussion move to a different thread of their own?  Puleeeez!

All I got was a statement that airplanes do not fly that far south, then I posted a story about a man who flew to the south pole. He did not go off the edge of the earth or crash into the firmament.

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Funny how there's minimal mention of geocentrism until a movie is made about it..... where were all these threads on the subject prior? :scratchchin:

I guess there'll always be trend followers...

Here is the history of geocentric debate;

One could say the overall truth of it began to emerge in 1860 with a lecture in Germany by a Professor C. Schoeppfer defending the geocentric cosmology of Tycho de Brahe called The Earth Stands Fast. The most recent and successful attempt to establish the truth of the Copernican revolution was in 1967 when the Dutch-Canadian schoolmaster Walter van der Kamp (1913-1998) began his writings, succeeded by Dr Gerardus Bouw, Marshall Hall, R.G. Elmendorf and others. Undoubtedly, Walter van der Kamp must be credited as the one who provided the foundations upon which a solution can be assessed. It was Walter’s writings that gave others just cause to follow him in his crusade to show how the matter of the Galileo ‘riddle’ could be resolved.
     On the Catholic side we find the writings of Fernand Crombette, Solange Hertz, Martin Gwynne, John R. Fohne, and Paula Haigh, who in her writings emphasised the necessity of Thomistic metaphysics for Catholic theology. To these we must add the name of Paul Ellwanger, a man who disseminated the works and opinions of all the above at his own expense so that others could know the truth of this matter. More recently Robert Sungenis, Robert Bennett and Rick Delano, whose book Galileo Was Wrong and whose movie and DVDs The Principle have taken the matter of geocentrism much further than ever before. Each of the above and others in their own way but who would prefer not to be named have contributed enormously to solving the impasse in different ways
As regards catholic forums and geocentrism, well only CIF allows serious debate, the others have banned all such debate.

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Funny how there's minimal mention of geocentrism until a movie is made about it..... where were all these threads on the subject prior? :scratchchin:

I guess there'll always be trend followers...

Personally, I've known about flat geocentric earth since 2008.

How old are you?  How long have you been a traditional Catholic?  Unless you are either very young or haven't been in the true very long, "knowing" something for 8 years is not very impressive.  In fact, "knowing" something since 2008 simply isn't impressive any which way you cut it.  It raises the question why didn't you "know" it before that.  And if your age or newness to the Church explains that, then I won't take you as an authority anyway.

What exactly brought flat earth to your attention in 2008?  I don't recollect any stories of any sailors sailing off the edge of the earth in 2008.

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Another one -- a growing number of people today, including some Catholics, are starting to believe in extraterrestrials (UFOs, intelligent life from other planets, solar systems, galaxies), and even time travel.  

Really? Name one. I can't.

I've never met a Trad Catholic (and I know a LOT) who believe in aliens. Every Trad I've ever met knows the reality of so-called "aliens" being demons. Honestly, I have never met a Trad who thought there was "life on other planets."

Not to worry, mw2016, he's talking about heliocentrists.  Many do believe in aliens but that's because they are infected with globalism.

Agreed.

You two are apparently confusing the evil that is "globalism" which lies in its quest for NWO one world government and such, with the thought that the earth is a "globe."  If you are correct that the earth is flat, then that former evil notion should be termed "flat-earthism" rather than "globalism" because the those evil forces are not truly seeking dominion over a globe.  You are then, in fact, guilty of aiding and abetting in perpetuating the lie by acquiescing and going along with calling it "globalism."

It is all hiding in plain sight...globalism encompasses both.  You simply have to open your eyes.  Devil worshiping globalists have indoctrinated us with lies in order to enslave us.  They've worked on this for centuries really. Satan has successfully recreated the earth in his own image just in time for the coming of the antichrist.  Satan controls the world because most people believe demonic lies about man's origins rather than God's Word.  And as long as we believe the devil, he owns us. We know that lies enslave, and we know we are becoming more enslaved by the globalists, yet we cannot see our own participation in this?  Heliocentrism is the grandfather of evolution, Big Bang, millions year old earth, global warming, limited resources, space aliens, and NASA (which means "to deceive").  All are part of the deception to maintain shock and awe lest we turn to the really impressive Almighty God. Globalists can't jack up prices and enrich themselves, control governments, legislate fake green laws, scare us enough, or punish us quite the same if we didn't all fall for the false theory that embodies our understanding of the world around us.  And lets not forget the related problem of overpopulation for which they have the perfect solution. Funny how consistently globalists promote their evils as they work hoof in hand with NASA's heliocentric globe earth and godless version of the origin of man, which is the opposite of scripture's geocentric flat earth abundant with the goodness of God reality. But perhaps these are all mere coincidences lost on you.  

I agree with the bulk of what you say here.  I disagree that the earth not being flat (which I see as a separate issue from geocentrism) is the basis of the rest of the evils you set out--that NASA and NWO are getting that much mileage out of alleging that the earth is round.  Even if they are though, they are as likely starting with a truth--the earth is round--and perverting lies out of that truth, as starting with a lie.  I don't put it past NASA, NWO, etc. to deceive any which way they can.  I just believe the earth is round despite them saying so too--not because they say so.

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Geocentrism is not open to any other 'theory' of origin other than a Creator. Heliocentrism on the other hand is an evolution theory (the Nebular theory), opening up 'the things that are made' to a natural cause. Billions of souls have chosen the heliocentric offer, the 'rock' upon which Atheism has been built.

Atheists go bonkers with the absolutely unacceptable idea of geocentrism because they know very well that as Dr. Robert Sungenis likes to say if the Earth is at the center of the universe then Someone with a capital S put it there.  That is why their "scientific" fantasies have contrived the multiverse.  Of course, even with a supposed multiverse they still can't offer any sort of a reasonable (reasonable for a well ordered mind that is) explanation of how a multiverse came into existence.

Under the communist government,  Saint Isaac's Cathedral in St. Petersberg was stripped of religious trappings. In 1931, it was turned into the Museum of the History of Religion and Atheism.  The dove sculpture was removed, and replaced by  that false "proof" of heliocentrism, the Foucault Pendulum.

P.S. Sungenis and others have thoroughly refuted the flat earth nonsense.  Once geocentrism started to gain a lot more interest in the last few years the flat earth phenomenon really picked up a whole of steam..  I strongly tend to believe this was a planned way of trying to bring ever greater ridicule down upon geocentrism.  A typical modus operandi of Satan and his minions and dupes!