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Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith
« Reply #45 on: September 05, 2016, 01:13:52 PM »
Ok, OHCA is a heliocentrist. I get it now.

 :wink:

Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith
« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2016, 01:15:00 PM »
Quote from: cassini
The Irony of it is that the Church HAS dogmatically defined heliocentrism (a fixed sun and moving earth) as formal heresy.

THE DOCTRINE OF GEOCENTRISM: St Clement of Alexandria demonstrated that the altar in the Jєωιѕн Tabernacle was “a symbol of the earth placed in the middle of the universe:” nothing more was needed; the geocentric theory was fully adopted by the Church and universally held to agree with the letter and spirit of Scripture. Wrought into this foundation, and based upon it, there was developed in the middle ages, mainly out of fragments of Chaldean and other early theories preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures, a new sacred system of astronomy, which became one of the great treasures of the universal Church – the last word of revelation. Three great men mainly reared this structure. First was the unknown who gave to the world the treatises ascribed to Dionysius the Areopagite. It was unhesitatingly believed that these were the work of St Paul’s Athenian convert, and therefore virtually of St Paul himself. Though now known to be spurious [sic], they were then considered a treasure of inspiration, and an emperor of the East sent them to an emperor of the West as the most worthy of gifts. In the ninth century they were widely circulated in Western Europe, and became a fruitful source of thought especially on the whole celestial hierarchy. Thus the old ideas of astronomy were vastly developed, and the heavenly hosts were classed and named in accordance with indications scattered through the sacred Scriptures.
 


Yay!
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Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith
« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2016, 02:09:54 PM »
Quote from: mw2016
Ok, OHCA is a heliocentrist. I get it now.

 :wink:


I appreciate the lofty title, but I think you're giving me too much credit both in knowledge about the subject and caring about the subject.  Next time I recognize that it's raining, perhaps you could label me a rainist.  We trads have enough views on important matters that put us in the tinfoil-hat club.  I typically enjoy out-tinfoil-hatting the best of them.  But I am discerning enough to know that though some views are correct despite being tinfoil-hattish, tinfoil-hattishness does not necessitate the correctness of a view.  I may come around (pun slightly intended) as I have on other matters.  But for now I am not convinced.

Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2016, 03:36:51 PM »
As your penance OHCA you are hereby ordered to listen to this entire talk by John Salza.  As your homework you are hereby assigned to report back to us ASAP on everything in Mr. Salza's talk that you disagree with.  You may give your precise reasons for your disagreement if you wish.

  [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ghZktd-PCOo[/youtube]

Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith
« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2016, 05:38:25 PM »
Quote from: klasG4e
As your penance OHCA you are hereby ordered to listen to this entire talk by John Salza.  As your homework you are hereby assigned to report back to us ASAP on everything in Mr. Salza's talk that you disagree with.  You may give your precise reasons for your disagreement if you wish.

  [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ghZktd-PCOo[/youtube]


I don't make a habit of listening to freemasons or laymen "preaching."  I have read Salza's accounts of KoC and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ--I believe most of what he says in that regard.  But I am very skeptical that he didn't already know himself before giving masonry a trial run.  He strikes me as simply an attention grabber and I won't suffer listening or reading anymore of his self promotions.  I would as soon read Gajewski or any other mad layman.