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Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith
« Reply #65 on: September 06, 2016, 02:06:07 AM »
I'm watching the Salza talk now too.

I just thought of another proof of why a geocentric earth CANNOT be a ball: seasons!

The Bible (which we are obligated to take literally) says that the earth DOES NOT MOVE.

The ball-earth model says seasons are caused by the earth tilting on its axis. It can't. It cannot tilt - it cannot move.

Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith
« Reply #66 on: September 06, 2016, 02:22:51 AM »
Quote from: OHCA
Quote from: happenby
Quote from: Arvinger
Some time ago the Dimonds put together an interesting article on the status on Geocentrism, arguing that the Church has not settled the matter.

They brought up an intereting quote from Pope Benedict XV's encyclical In Praeclara Summorum:

"If the progress of science showed later that that conception of the world rested on no sure foundation, that the spheres imagined by our ancestors did not exist, that nature, the number and course of the planets and stars, are not indeed as they were then thought to be, still the fundamental principle remained that the universe, whatever be the order that sustains it in its parts, is the work of the creating and preserving sign of Omnipotent God, who moves and governs all, and whose glory risplende in una parte piu e meno altrove; and though this earth on which we live may not be the centre of the universe as at one time was thought, it was the scene of the original happiness of our first ancestors, witness of their unhappy fall, as too of the Redemption of mankind through the Passion and Death of Jesus Christ."

Pope Benedict XV explicitly states that something else than geocentrism might be true. Also, the heliocentric work were removed from the Index of Forbidden Books during the pontificate of Pope Benedict XIV, and Pope Pius VII approved printing books on movement of earth in Rome.

While I'm not opposed to geocentrism (I simply don't know, I have not studied the topic and evidence properly), it seems that the Church has not settled the matter yet. Jut as Stubborn said, I highly doubt whether people are judged by God on whether they believed in geocentrism or heliocentrism, provided they remained of good will.


The Church has settled the matter.  In 1633 when She said: Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy," namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the center of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse, and detest" those opinions.[51]


And infallibly the Church declared:

We say, pronounce, sentence, and declare that you, the said Galileo, by reason of the matters adduced in trial, and by you confessed as above, have rendered yourself in the judgment of this Holy Office vehemently suspected of heresy, namely, of having believed and held the doctrine—which is false and contrary to the sacred and divine Scriptures—that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from east to west and that the Earth moves and is not the center of the world;

Heliocentrism is condemned.


Source?


Also included in this Church statement:
This Holy Tribunal being therefore of intention to proceed against the disorder and mischief thence resulting, which went on increasing to the prejudice of the Holy Faith, by command of His Holiness and of the Most Eminent Lords Cardinals of this supreme and universal Inquisition, the two propositions of the stability of the Sun and the motion of the Earth were by the theological Qualifiers qualified as follows:

The proposition that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from its place is absurd and false philosophically and formally heretical, because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scripture.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/galileo/condemnation.html


Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith
« Reply #67 on: September 06, 2016, 02:44:28 AM »
Whats so funny is that those who would buy the geocentric ball model have to admit modern science lied about moving earth and non moving sun, but did not lie about the ball.  Let's face it, the only reason people believe earth is a ball is because they think NASA has shown them photos of earth because we went to the moon. Yet not one picture NASA and modern science shows us of ball earth is authentic (admitted by NASA) and all are composite CGI renderings or paintings.  No authentic photo or video of the ball earth exists.    





If you think we went to the moon...





 

Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith
« Reply #68 on: September 06, 2016, 02:52:49 AM »
Quote from: s2srea
Funny how there's minimal mention of geocentrism until a movie is made about it..... where were all these threads on the subject prior? :scratchchin:

I guess there'll always be trend followers...



Sorry, this subject isn't new but has been a hotly debated discussion for centuries.  The only reason it fell away and seemingly ended is because everyone believed we went to the moon.  Clever devils. Now we know nobody went to the moon. Their little fakery only worked for a while since people have been exposing that lie since the 70's.  Personally, I've known about flat geocentric earth since 2008.  So, the geocentric movie had nothing to do with the resurgence of the discussion. Even Augustine talked about way back it in the 300's.  Flat earth is no "trend".  

Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith
« Reply #69 on: September 06, 2016, 04:03:41 AM »
Quote from: OHCA
Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: happenby
Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: Neil Obstat

Another one -- a growing number of people today, including some Catholics, are starting to believe in extraterrestrials (UFOs, intelligent life from other planets, solar systems, galaxies), and even time travel.  




Really? Name one. I can't.

I've never met a Trad Catholic (and I know a LOT) who believe in aliens. Every Trad I've ever met knows the reality of so-called "aliens" being demons. Honestly, I have never met a Trad who thought there was "life on other planets."


Not to worry, mw2016, he's talking about heliocentrists.  Many do believe in aliens but that's because they are infected with globalism.


Agreed.


You two are apparently confusing the evil that is "globalism" which lies in its quest for NWO one world government and such, with the thought that the earth is a "globe."  If you are correct that the earth is flat, then that former evil notion should be termed "flat-earthism" rather than "globalism" because the those evil forces are not truly seeking dominion over a globe.  You are then, in fact, guilty of aiding and abetting in perpetuating the lie by acquiescing and going along with calling it "globalism."



It is all hiding in plain sight...globalism encompasses both.  You simply have to open your eyes.  Devil worshiping globalists have indoctrinated us with lies in order to enslave us.  They've worked on this for centuries really. Satan has successfully recreated the earth in his own image just in time for the coming of the antichrist.  Satan controls the world because most people believe demonic lies about man's origins rather than God's Word.  And as long as we believe the devil, he owns us. We know that lies enslave, and we know we are becoming more enslaved by the globalists, yet we cannot see our own participation in this?  Heliocentrism is the grandfather of evolution, Big Bang, millions year old earth, global warming, limited resources, space aliens, and NASA (which means "to deceive").  All are part of the deception to maintain shock and awe lest we turn to the really impressive Almighty God. Globalists can't jack up prices and enrich themselves, control governments, legislate fake green laws, scare us enough, or punish us quite the same if we didn't all fall for the false theory that embodies our understanding of the world around us.  And lets not forget the related problem of overpopulation for which they have the perfect solution. Funny how consistently globalists promote their evils as they work hoof in hand with NASA's heliocentric globe earth and godless version of the origin of man, which is the opposite of scripture's geocentric flat earth abundant with the goodness of God reality. But perhaps these are all mere coincidences lost on you.