Author Topic: Poll: Is Geocentrism Necessary to the Faith (Read 22375 times)

Mark 79 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 31, 2016, 03:54:04 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Truth is truth.

Jesus Christ is the truth.

If one denies just ONE SINGLE Catholic dogma, he is a condemned heretic and he will find himself in Hell for eternity unless he repents.

So apparently truths hang together, and removal of one truth unravels many others.

I believe that you either LOVE the truth, and you want all truth, or you are apathetic, in which case you might not be so adept or successful at reaching the truth about Catholic things as well. Especially in a time of Crisis like we live in today.

So I believe all truths are important -- at least those which touch on the Faith.

Which baseball player made the most home runs last year I don't care about, because that is trivial. It doesn't matter.

Who did 9/11, however, most certainly matters. The issue of 9/11 and the War on Terror touches on the government, tyranny, the Jєωιѕн question, and my own freedom.

Likewise, the truth about Geocentrism touches on science, religion, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, God, and creation. I'd call that pretty important.

So true! (pun intended)

In these perilous (End?) times 2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 stands as a warning that should sober every one of us:

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And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.

If you do not love the Truth, God, not Satan, will send you "the operation of error" to believe lies and you will be damned. If you do not love the truth, you are a goner, period.

mw2016 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 31, 2016, 02:26:08 PM »

The End of Days is a winnowing.

The End of Days is a grinding down and sifting of the Faithful.

I have no doubt that geocentrism and the flat earth are a tool that God is using to sift His faithful and to restore this doctrine to its proper place of primacy on the earth. God is giving you the grace and you will respond to it, and believe His Truth, or you won't and you will perish. It's that simple.

klasG4e · « **Reply #22 on:** September 02, 2016, 02:51:57 AM »

Mark 79

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If you do not love the Truth, God, not Satan, will send you "the operation of error" to believe lies and you will be damned. If you do not love the truth, you are a goner, period.

Amen! One example -- as less and less Catholics believe in transubstantiation, more and more of them believe in universal salvation. Another one -- as less and less Catholics believe in Biblical/Fathers of the Church/Magisterium (not to mention a great amount of solid science) based geocentrism more and more of them believe in Big Baloney .... uh ...er...I mean Big Bang. And just one more -- as less and less Catholics believe in the literal Biblical Creation more and more Catholics believe in Theistic Evolution.

klasG4e · « **Reply #23 on:** September 02, 2016, 02:03:56 PM »

In a recent email discussion with an old trad friend my friend stated: "You must objectively show that geocentrism is a matter of Faith. You have not done that."

The reply was as follows and to this day I would not change one word of it: "The Church has already done so. You need to read the Church’s docuмents on the Galileo case. They stated that Scripture’s statements that the sun revolved around the earth must be taken as the objective word of God and must be taken at face value, literally, unless there is an impossibility in doing so. The Church said the same with every other Scripture – She interpreted them all literally (e.g., “this is my body” was interpreted to be the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, as opposed to just a symbolic or figurative presence of Christ). The Church also said that She was bound by the consensus of the Church Fathers on this issue and could not deviate from it, as stipulated in the Council of Trent. The Church also said that even if someone could argue that geocentrism was not a matter of faith intrinsically, it was still a matter of faith extrinsically (i.e., ex parte dicentis), since it was a matter of the truth of the testimony of Scripture that was at stake. That is, if Scripture could be proved wrong on one of its propositional truths, then Scripture is completely undermined."

At this point the communication with my friend basically broke down. I figured he was throwing in the towel without wanting to admit it -- c'est la vie.

OHCA · « **Reply #24 on:** September 03, 2016, 09:17:14 AM »

Quote from: mw2016

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Quoting Salza:

Are you talking about John Salza??

If so, you could as likely impress me by quoting Gajewski, Pablo the Wetback, or a host of other lay charlatans masquerading as "theologians" and monopolistic omniscient purveyors of "truth."