Author Topic: Pius XII and WW2 - Pius the liberal and Roncalli the conservative (Read 6739 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #35 on:** November 08, 2019, 06:30:09 PM »

Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on November 08, 2019, 06:27:05 PM

She is a horrible and untrustworthy authoress. She claimed that many popes were Freemasons and that Pope Pius IX was a Freemason. This had been refuted in his own lifetime and he was greatly offended by the accusation. She used Freemasonic writers to back up her claim instead of using Catholic authors. I wouldn’t touch her trashy books with a ten foot pole.

Unfortunately, there is a fair bit of truth in there. It's a shame that it's blended in with the falsehoods.

poche · « **Reply #36 on:** November 10, 2019, 11:17:11 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 08, 2019, 05:44:39 AM

Pope St. Pius X saying he is on good terms with the Jews does not equate with Pius XII's falsifying baptisms. The nαzι's have nothing to do with my comments. The Jews did not/do not consider that Puis X was on good terms with them, didn't you read my Jerusalem Post link? https://www.jpost.com/Christian-News/Today-in-History-Pope-Pius-refused-to-support-a-Jєωιѕн-Jerusalem-442696

Pope St. Pius X considered that he was on good terms because he was speaking the truth to them. He was honest. That is why he is a saint.

It also places him in direct opposition to the nαzι social program.

poche · « **Reply #37 on:** November 10, 2019, 11:18:31 PM »

Quote from: forlorn on November 08, 2019, 10:30:26 AM

It does make me wonder - was John XXIII even that bad a pope? I always assumed so because of the circuмstances of his election and his convocation of Vatican 2, but come to think of it I don't know of any particular things he did that were bad for the Church. He did call for Vatican 2, but it was barely open when he died and it seems to me that most of the innovations and talk of ecuмenism came after Paul VI took charge. Perhaps Vatican 2 would've taken a different course under John for all I know, but that's the thing - I don't. So I'm wondering if someone here could give a breakdown of the good and bad things he did in his pontificate.

The SSPX uses the missal of 1962, the missal that was promulgated by Pope John XXIII.

poche · « **Reply #38 on:** November 10, 2019, 11:19:38 PM »

Quote from: Matto on November 08, 2019, 02:59:39 PM

Well, you could put it both ways as there were two sides to World War II and both committed great evils. You could just as truthfully say he was handing half of Europe over to the Godless Communists who killed millions of Christians and persecuted the Church causing millions more to leave the faith.

The nαzιs against the Communists is like Satan against Satan.

Mass12 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 13, 2019, 07:34:04 AM »

Quote from: poche on November 10, 2019, 11:19:38 PM

The nαzιs against the Communists is like Satan against Satan.

Not true! nαzιs were fighting evil from all sides and did not start the war. They had every right to defend their country and people. Patton said we were fighting the wrong enemy!

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