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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Pius XII and WW2 - Pius the liberal and Roncalli the conservative
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2019, 11:33:37 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 07, 2019, 03:29:29 PM
Roncalli was an interesting character.  He didn't care for Bugnini and shut him down, kicked him out of the Vatican ... after Pius XII had enabled him to experiment with the Mass.  I think that Roncalli liked the Traditional Mass for its aesthetics.
A broken clock is 100% correct twice a day. 
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Offline forlorn

Re: Pius XII and WW2 - Pius the liberal and Roncalli the conservative
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2019, 02:36:18 PM »
Quote from: roscoe on November 08, 2019, 11:17:38 AM
It seems Roncalli was FMason. In case you haven't heard, the sect is condemned by Pope Leo XIII in the Encyclical Humanum Genus. :cheers:
Are you sedevacantist?
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Offline Sigismund

Re: Pius XII and WW2 - Pius the liberal and Roncalli the conservative
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2019, 02:52:37 PM »
Quote from: tdrev123 on November 06, 2019, 08:34:13 PM
https://codoh.com/library/docuмent/2452/?lang=en

This old article was written by Mary Ball Martinez.  I knew before about how Pius XII was trying to help the Christ killers and he favored the allies, but the details are disturbing.  Martinez shows how Roncalli was not on board with Pius XII dissent and betrayal of Catholics.
Saving Jews from dying and opposing the nαzιs Makes Pius XII bad?  You are a malevolent fool. 
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Offline Matto

Re: Pius XII and WW2 - Pius the liberal and Roncalli the conservative
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2019, 02:59:39 PM »
Quote from: Sigismund on November 08, 2019, 02:52:37 PM
Saving Jews from dying and opposing the nαzιs Makes Pius XII bad?  You are a malevolent fool.

Well, you could put it both ways as there were two sides to World War II and both committed great evils. You could just as truthfully say he was handing half of Europe over to the Godless Communists who killed millions of Christians and persecuted the Church causing millions more to leave the faith.
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Offline Sigismund

Re: Pius XII and WW2 - Pius the liberal and Roncalli the conservative
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2019, 04:44:20 PM »
Quote from: Matto on November 08, 2019, 02:59:39 PM
Well, you could put it both ways as there were two sides to World War II and both committed great evils. You could just as truthfully say he was handing half of Europe over to the Godless Communists who killed millions of Christians and persecuted the Church causing millions more to leave the faith.
All of Europe would have been swallowed up by the nαzιs. Perhaps much of the rest of the world as well.  However, that is only one problem with the OP.  Suggesting that The Pope saving lives, any lives, is somehow evil is at best stupid, and more likely malicious.  Hence malevolent fool. 
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