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Pilgrim-s Progress by John Bunyan - 1678 to 1688 in 9 parts
« on: February 11, 2013, 09:39:58 PM »
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  • Christian Apologetics is the art and science of defending Catholic Truth.
    And therefore it is key to the Resistance Movement, which defends same
    against all manner of attack, whether by the world, the devil or the flesh.



    The Pilgrim's Progress
                            by John Bunyan



    See a story book presentation adapted from this book in a 2-hour video:




    I would like to know if anyone has heard of a systematic Catholic commentary
    about this book, which Protestants claim has "never been out of print," and that
    it is "the second most popular book of all time next to the Bible."  

    For watching the video, I am amused how the entire story is a latent
    hypocrisy against Protestant doctrine, for the protagonist breaks many of the
    Protestant's rules, only in an ambiguous way.  The story is told as in a dream,
    whence comes much allegory and symbolism, thus the opportunity for
    ambiguity;  the author seems to take every chance he can get to use it.

    They say Bunyan wrote this while in prison, while he had been incarcerated for
    promoting heresy.  This occurred 140 years after Luther'r revolt.  And they
    brush aside any formal training he may have had, claiming he was not educated.  
    It would seem that for anyone to write a book that endures for over 4 centuries
    without having previously had any kind of studies background would be
    impossible.  Certainly he knew how to read and write, so he must have had some
    kind of schooling at least for that!  

    I encourage comments, and any critical analysis.  

    There are the principle denials of Catholic doctrine the Protestants make, such
    as justification by faith alone, efficacy of the sacraments, the dignity and power
    of the priesthood, the nature of grace, Christ's institution of the Church and of
    the Papacy, papal infallibility, the jurisdictional authority of the Catholic Church,
    the source of the Bible, the canonization of saints, the spiritual merit of works,
    the truth of indulgences, the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary
    and her Assumption body and soul into heaven.  I'm not using a list so I may
    have left out a few things.  

    Any suggestions?  

    How do these false doctrines apply to this video?  This would be a very good
    project for an in-depth study of Apologetics.  






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    Pilgrim-s Progress by John Bunyan - 1678 to 1688 in 9 parts
    « Reply #1 on: February 13, 2013, 12:03:58 AM »
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  • It seems this book is so popular and has such an important place because it
    serves an important purpose for Protestants.  It provides them with all the
    excuses they need to persevere in works when their doctrine tells them there
    is no merit in works.  

    It is a road map for self-contradiction.

    It was written in 1678, and later, and gained popularity for the next 200 years,
    at which time it became the favorite reading selection of a young boy named
    Charles Haddon Spurgeon.  He contemplated this book throughout his youth
    and adolescence, and then after his "conversion" at age 17, he discovered
    that he was able to preach "the word" to eager listeners.

    His early study of this book, The Pilgrim's Progress, had led the young
    Spurgeon to read the Bible, but he did not really start to delve into it until he
    had heard the sermons of other preachers, who used the Bible in particular
    parts a lot.  So Spurgeon became a much appreciated preacher without ever
    having had any formal education in being a preacher.  He was a natural, let's
    just say.  And he had become this way because of his lifelong study and
    contemplation of The Pilgrim's Progress.

    Curiously, the book's author was likewise unschooled in his youth, so they say.

    C. H. Spurgeon is widely acclaimed to be "far and away the most influential
    Christian leader of the 19th century;  the Prince of Preachers."  He often gave
    sermons to crowds of 10,000 people, in days before electronic amplification.
    He became pastor of London's Metropolitan Tabernacle (which has no
    tabernacle! Like the Mormon Tabernacle - no tabernacle!) when it was first
    built, having been employed as the congregation's pastor since age 20.  He
    died at age 57 of gout and a medical disorder.  His funeral was attended by
    tens of thousands of people, which brought that quarter of London to a
    standstill for its duration.  That was in 1892.  

    Curiously, both Pope Pius IX and Leo XIII were much more influential
    Christian leaders during the 19th century, but those who claim the supremacy
    of Spurgeon do so with the implicit denial of the Popes having been "Christian."

    He fought against Darwinism in is time, albeit weakly.  And at the end of his
    life he became very depressed that it seemed so many of the Christians
    who had been believers were gradually slipping away because of the new
    appeal and prosperity that came with the so-called theory of evolution. After
    all, Origin of Species was the most instantly successful book in all history,
    selling more copies the first day of its publication than ever before.  All
    supplies were depleted before the sun had gone down on day #1.  It was
    an "overnight success," and it broke all records.  But even today, after that,
    The Pilgrim's Progress continues to be an overall better seller.

    All of his sermons were written down by a very able secretary, and he went
    over them personally making any corrections or improvements, before they
    went into archive.  After his death in 1892, his sermons continued to be
    published in new installments until the year 1917, when they finally came to
    the end of them.  It had taken 25 years to render them all after he had died.  
    There are over 3,600 available today, on websites, or in print.  They have
    been continuously in print from the beginning, and show no end in sight, as
    they continue to be very popular among Protestants.  You can listen to a wide
    selection of his sermons on iPhone app., which means you can hear a
    different sermon every day and it will take you 10 years to hear them all.

    You can see the seed of his style and appeal by reading The Pilgrim's Progress.

    The sermons of C.H. Spurgeon are rife with objective heresy.  But you would
    be hard pressed to find any Novus Ordo priest who is able to identify and
    denounce their errors.  That is, even if he can identify them, he will invariably
    be incapable of providing a clear reason why one should not believe them.  He
    can't do that because it is not 'Ecuмenical' to do so, and it would not 'respect his
    freedom of religion' to do so.  And therefore, even if he does know what is
    wrong with these sermons, he will not be able to explain it to you convincingly.

    A pagan philosopher named Gorgias said some 2,400 years ago, that there are
    only 3 kinds of heresy.  This heresy that Novus Ordo priests are subject to is
    of the third type.  The three are:  1)  There is no truth.  Well, Novus Ordo priests
    might be close to that heresy but it's not their principal error.  2)  Even if there
    were truth, it cannot be known.  Well, they don't really think that either, for they
    would say that you can know what error is and truth.  Theirs is the third one: 3)  
    Even if truth can be known, it cannot be communicated.  That's where they are
    at.  They recognize that truth exists, and that it can be known, but they are
    unable to communicate it.  

    Now, they might be willing to SAY that it can be communicated, but that is
    insufficient, because when it comes down to it, when the "rubber meets the
    road," they are not able to do so.  


    It is important for us to understand where this is and where it is going, because
    the SSPX is right now getting started going down this road.  

    The Protestants have been doing this for well-nigh 500 years, so their track
    record is well-established.  The Novus Ordo false theology has been doing it
    for 50 years, so their track record is well-established.  Now the SSPX is just
    getting started, and I would go so far as to say that they have been already
    doing it for several years, perhaps 5 or 10, because the priests who have been
    coming out during this time are already affected.  And now, there are the new
    professors who are among this new crop who are taking the place of the old
    professors who were still trying to teach the old way, the Tradition of the
    Church.



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    « Reply #2 on: February 20, 2013, 02:19:54 AM »
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  • I was having a conversation about this with a friend, when his wife came by
    to speak to him.  He asked her if she had ever heard of Charles Haddon
    Spurgeon, a preacher.  She replied, "Is he Catholic?"  And I said, "No, he
    was Protestant."  And she sighed lightly, and changed the subject.  Without
    hardly a word, she showed that she had no interest in someone's memory
    who was openly anti-Catholic.  

    I told my friend, "I like her.  She's no nonsense!"  He agreed, absolutely.



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    C. H. Spurgeon is widely acclaimed to be "far and away the most influential
    Christian leader of the 19th century
    ;  the Prince of Preachers."  He often gave
    sermons to crowds of 10,000 people, in days before electronic amplification.
    He became pastor of London's Metropolitan Tabernacle (which has no
    tabernacle! Like the Mormon Tabernacle - no tabernacle!) when it was first
    built, having been employed as the congregation's pastor since age 20.  He
    died at age 57 of gout and a medical disorder.  His funeral was attended by
    tens of thousands of people, which brought that quarter of London to a
    standstill for its duration.  That was in 1892.

    Curiously, both Pope Pius IX and Leo XIII were much more influential
    Christian leaders during the 19th century
    , but those who claim the supremacy
    of Spurgeon do so with the implicit denial of the Popes having been "Christian."



    I forgot to mention The Cure d'Ars, St. John Vianney, the patron saint of parish
    priests, whose legacy endures to this day and is immortalized by his designation.  
    Having died in 1859 at age 73, he was literally a contemporary of Spurgeon,
    who had been a preacher for 7 years by that year.  The cure d'Ars was
    instrumental in countless miracles at his parish church.  I am amused to see
    there are no miracles anyone mentions in regards to Bunyan's book or
    Spurgeon's sermons.  

    Our Lord said not to (blindly) believe him, rather believe his miracles.  




    So, I'm not surprised that this topic would be getting no attention.  Actually
    that's a good sign.  

    I think it is essential for us to spend our effort getting to know our own Faith,
    because that is what we will be held accountable for.  

    The only reason that I am suggesting an awareness of these landmark
    Protestant topics, The Pilgrim's Progress and C.H.Spurgeon is, that these are
    two of the so-called evangelical Protestants' FALSE GODS.  

    They are truly false gods because they are literally set up for worship,
    although you won't find a single Protestant who will admit as much.  If he can
    do so, he ceases inherently to be a Protestant.  It is that integrally connected
    with the essence of Protestantism.  You cannot acknowledge these two being
    false gods and at the same time adhere to the literal meaning of the First
    Commandment, Thou Shalt Not Have False Gods Before Me, including the
    extension (which the Prots say is the 'second commandment') thou shalt not
    make a graven image.  For the reverence that many Prots have for this
    book and for the sermons of Spurgeon is obviously tantamount to their
    reverence for the 'word of God' for

    They revere Bunyan's book and
    Spurgeon's sermons right alongside
    Sacred Scripture.



    They most assuredly do not see it that way, but I'm taking a clue from a friend
    who taught me long ago that it is a virtuous work and a spiritual work of mercy
    to TEAR DOWN THE FALSE GODS OF THE ENEMY.  

    What better way to awaken a wayward non-Catholic than to show him how
    his long-held beliefs are founded in objective error!  

    To do this with a Protestant, you will have to be able to use the Bible to
    go toe-to-toe with each heresy.  There are some that will be rather difficult,
    so you should know about those in advance.  One is the Assumption of the
    Blessed Virgin Mary, body and soul, into heaven (which is its own topic, but
    one you should know, just tell him that it's too much for starters and begin
    elsewhere), and the Immaculate Conception (likewise, it's better to begin
    elsewhere, so as not to 'cast pearls before swine' - but DON'T SAY THAT!
    Say "We're not ready for the meat course yet.").




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