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    Anyone who scoffs at philosophy and thinks that it's a waste of time ought to read this excellent article.  Anyone who does read it and still thinks it's a waste of time is not intellectually honest, or, alternatively, is one who has fallen headlong into the unknowing pit of intellectual insanity which is well-described in the last third of this fine paper.

    This below is a copy of the PDF file that you can download for free at THIS website.  The free file has nice photos of many of the men to whom it refers, mostly in the second half.  






    1
    Philosophy and its Effect on Society
    By Robert A. Sungenis, Ph.D.


    Plato and Aristotle
    In life, everything is interconn
    ected in some fashion. Sometimes the
    interconnections are obvious; sometimes they are obscure. Philosophy
    suffers the burden of being one of the more esoteric of human disciplines,
    at least as far as the typical man in the street is concerned,
    and thus its
    connections to everything else in the world are often more obscure. But
    the connections between philosophy and everyday life are very d
    irect.
    Although philosophical ideas are the first in line of men’s ide
    as, they
    usually find their way into everyday life by being processed and displayed
    in more ostensible forms, such as art, music, architecture, cinema,
    literature, clichés or dialogues in bar rooms.
    But as in every other discipline, there are only two kinds, Christian and
    non-Christian. This lecture is going to show us the beliefs and
    proposition
    of non-Christian philosophy and its effect on everyday life. We
    will show
    the problems and futility of non-Christian philosophy and why Christian
    philosophy is not only a better answer, it is the only answer for modern
    man.
    According to most modern philosophers, Plato is the beginning of all
    philosophy. Among other things,
    Platonism contains the philosophical
    concept that the material world we experience on earth has, in
    the
    spiritual realm, an ideal image or abstraction of itself.
    Picture yourself being bit by a mosquito. There is one thing important to
    know about this mosquito, however. It is the last mosquito alive on planet

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    earth. Nevertheless, because of the pain, you decide to smack the
    mosquito with your hand. Having been flattened like a pancake,
    the
    mosquito is virtually unrecognizable. But you need not lose hope that you
    have eliminated the mosquito entirely from existence, because according
    to Plato, in the spiritual realm there is an ideal image of a mosquito
    preserved for eternity, and thus the universe shall never lose
    the perfect
    picture and essence of a mosquito.
    Hence, in Platonic philosophy, it was the “ideal image” in the
    spiritual
    realm that gave everything of the material world its real meaning and
    purpose. This ideal image would not be any one kind of mosquito, but a
    kind of abstract composite of all mosquitoes. In modern language, the
    millions of particular mosquitoes
    would have their one universal
    integration point in the ideal mosquito. According to Plato, we
    know of
    this ideal mosquito because we once existed there, but now we find
    ourselves on planet Earth with thousands of different kinds of
    material
    mosquitoes.

    This is where the philosophical phrase “a priori” originates, for we, says
    Plato, had a “prior” life in another world. From the knowledge
    we gained
    in this “prior life,” we possess
    universal eternal truths which
    we obtained
    from the ideal images – truths that will never change, whether
    the are
    stated here, on Mars, Alpha Centauri, or wherever; or whether t
    hey are
    stated in the past, in the present, or in the future. How does
    a seven year
    old know that 2 +2 not only equals four, but will always equal
    four?
    Because these are “a priori” eternal truths that can never change. The
    search for the origin and nature of eternal truths is behind every
    philosophy known to man. This has always been the most significant
    philosophical question: “what do we know; and how do we know it
    ?”
    Whereas Plato answered the question of the origin of eternal truths by
    saying they came from “a priori” knowledge, Aristotle answered
    the

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    The Christian answer is, yes, we can have a “final experience,”
    but it is
    with a personal God who communicates verifiable truth to us as
    personal
    beings, truth that can be discussed and debated, and held accountable
    against all other systems of thought and practice.
    Jean Paul Sartre
    tried to answer Kierkegaard’s dilemma by calling the
    area below the Line of No Return “absurd,” thereby compelling us to find
    meaning in life by escaping through a mere act of the will, an
    act that
    would authenticate and give purpose to one’s existence. But since this act
    was not tied to reason, rationality or morals, then in Sartre’s
    philosophy,
    if you are driving down the road and see an old lady in the pouring rain,
    you can stop to pick her up or you can run her over. There is no difference
    between the two, because it is only the act of the will that matters for
    one’s self-authentication.

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    Martin Heidegger
    tried to answer the dilemma not by an act of the will
    but by creating a realization of Angst, a feeling of dread of the unknown.
    This feeling of dread would give one significance to his existence. As one
    commentator put it: “Angst is one of the primary instruments through
    which the ontic character and context of everyday existence is
    made
    inescapably aware of, is rendered naked to, the pressures of the
    ontological. And further, Angst is a mark of authenticity, of the
    repudiation of the ‘theyness’.” 1
    Each of these men (Jaspers, Sartre, Heidigger) take a leap into
    the
    irrational, hoping that they will find something meaningful above the Line
    of No Return, but they have no basis from their own system to
    substantiate the leap. Sartre, for example, had always chided his
    colleague, Albert Camus, for not
    being consistent to existential principles.
    But one day, Sartre signed the Algerian Manifesto, declaring it
    a “dirty
    war.” Once he did this, his followers became quite disillusioned, not
    because the Algerian war was a good war, but because Sartre made a
    moral decision within his philosophical system that was amoral.
    The reality is, of course, that man is made in the image of God, and
    morality is built into his psyche. There is no way to escape it. He can try to
    suppress it (as Romans 1:18 says), but it will always seep to the surface

    1 Steiner, 1978.

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    because it cannot be extinguished. Man cannot escape the way his mind
    works. The only way he can affirm something as true is on the basis of
    knowing its opposite. If he says
    he loves his wife, he doesn’t
    do so without
    knowing what it means to not love her. If he says a tree is beautiful, he
    doesn’t do so without knowing what ugly is.
    Bernard Berenson
    (d. 1959) professor at Harvard, was the world’s
    greatest expert on Renaissance art in his day. He was sought out for his
    ability to date and price any Renaissance piece of art. He love
    d the beauty
    of Renaissance art, so much so that when he compared it to the
    ugliness
    of modern art, in his own words, modern art was “bestial.” Berenson was
    also a Roman Catholic, at least by name. In one of his own ugly
    moments,
    he took a married woman, Mary Costelloe, away from her husband,
    living
    with her for years and then marrying her when her husband died
    (since
    as a Catholic, Mary could not divorce her husband). But when Berenson
    married her, they forged an agreement that each would be allowed to
    have extra-marital affairs, and they lived this way for 45 years. When
    Berenson was admonished for this, he would simply say: “You are
    forgetting the animal basis of our nature,” the same thing he said about
    modern art. Obviously, Berenson could not live within his own system of
    philosophy.

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    our salvation, wished to see confided to the sacred Scriptures.”7
    But
    immediately after Vatican II, the Barthian Catholic liberals ma
    de it appear
    that the phrase “for the sake of our salvation” meant that Scri
    pture was
    only error-free when it spoke about salvation, not history. Eve
    n today, 40
    years later, we see this unfortunate interpretation permeate th
    e
    intellectual climate. The working docuмent publicly approved by
    the
    Vatican Synod’s Secreteriat and
    published as a supplement in
    L'Osservatore Romano
    , “Instrumentum Laboris,” contains a heresy in
    section 15(c), where it proclaims that Scripture contains error
    s on
    matters that are not written "for the sake of our salvation." T
    his
    proposition, of course, is erroneous. Vatican II’s
    Dei Verbum 11
    had stated
    quite clearly, as did the rest of Catholic tradition before it,
    that “the books
    of Scripture” were “without error,” for in being without error
    they are
    able to teach us all of God’s tru
    ths “for the sake of our salva
    tion.”
    Be that as it may, if one says that the history is in error, ye
    t the salvation
    message is true, the theory immediately breaks down when histor
    ical
    facts are used in Scripture to substantiate the salvation messa
    ge (
    e.g
    ., the
    Incarnation, Resurrection). In other words, one cannot deny the
    history
    and keep the salvation. He must accept both, or there will be n
    o salvation.
    Hence, most Protestant liberals concluded there was no real red
    emption
    offered in Scripture. They propo
    sed that the apostles and other
    s following
    Jesus just made it appear as if Jesus came to save the world, a
    nd
    Christianity was thus born and grew on nothing more than a myth
    .
    Conversely, the Catholic liberals, tied to the dogma of the Cat
    holic Church
    and fearing excommunication for t
    oo radical a view, weren’t so
    free to
    make such earth-shattering conclusions. So instead of outrightl
    y rejecting
    the history as the liberal Protestants did, the Catholic libera
    ls would
    merely raise doubt about the history in the form of interrogati
    ves, a
    methodology that was frequently used by one of the leading Cath
    olic
    7
    Flannery edition.
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    liberals, Raymond Brown. For example, Brown says in his book
    The Birth
    of the Messiah
    that after Vatican II, “A faithful Catholic would have to ask:
    ‘Should one rank the biological manner of Jesus conception as a
    truth God
    wanted put into the Sacred Writings for the sake of our salvati
    on?’”
    Brown, a Catholic priest, taught
    at one of the most liberal Pro
    testant
    seminaries in the United States, Union Theological Seminary in
    New York.
    Union Theological led American schools in teaching the liberali
    sm and
    Neo-Orthodoxy originating from E
    urope. In the end, of course, o
    nce you
    are selective about what is inerrant in Scripture, it becomes a
    n arbitrary
    system dependent on the whim of
    the reader, and it falls by its
    own
    weight.
    As for the Barthians, and those
    Catholics who thought they coul
    d live in a
    dichotomy between Catholic dogma and the New Theology, once you
    make the decision that Scripture contains historical mistakes,
    then
    everything is up for grabs. Suddenly, because the first eleven
    chapters of
    Genesis are understood as more myth and outmoded cultural expre
    ssions
    of the day than historical fact, this left room for people such
    as Bultmann,
    Barth, Kung, Rahner and de Chardin to reject or modify the stor
    y of Adam
    and Eve. But if you reject Adam and Eve, you reject Original si
    n. If you
    reject Original sin, you must claim that man is as he always wa
    s. This is a
    Hindu concept. So it is no surprise to see some Catholic theolo
    gians forge
    a synthesis between Hinduism and
    Catholicism, such as Raymond
    Panikkar, Dom Bede Griffiths, O.S.C. and Anthony de Mello, S.J.
    Prior to
    this titanic shift, a traditional Roman Catholic, using the pre
    -Hegelian
    Thesis-Antithesis apologetic, would totally reject Hinduism, an
    d hold that
    its adherents were eternally damned unless they became saved. B
    ut now
    we have the Hegelian synthesis, a philosophy that has slowly bu
    t surely
    seeped down into the very heart of modern man’s psyche, to the
    very
    doorstep of his theological beliefs and affirmations. So you se
    e how just
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    one philosophical concept can ha
    ve such a penetrating effect on
    the
    masses.
    As I noted previously, Aquinas, because of his belief in a supe
    rnatural God
    expressed in the Trinity, was able to keep a balance between un
    iversals
    and particulars, or between Grace and Nature. The Trinity gives
    us the
    balance between the two positions, for we have the One God but
    we also
    have the Three Persons. Problems crept in, however, when during
    the
    Renaissance, Catholic humanism (
    e.g., Erasmus), the Reformation
    , and the
    Enlightenment, we see that Natur
    e began to emasculate Grace.
    By the time of
    Rousseau
    (d. 1778) the category of Grace had been totally
    destroyed. It was replaced by Freedom, which then led to the Fr
    ench
    Revolution in 1789. The ideal was to be free of religious const
    raints,
    which usually happens when men forget they have a sin-tainted n
    ature,
    which in this case was replaced by Rousseau’s
    tabula rasa
    or blank slate.
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    The same thing happened in the 1960s counter-culture revolution
    ,
    whether it was in religion or secular society. Liberal theology
    had
    weakened the concept of Original sin; psychology and psychoanal
    ysis had
    replaced religion as the state-o
    f-the-art therapeutic device fo
    r modern
    man. This shift was based on the
    idea that a sin-tainted nature
    was not
    the cause of man’s personal problems, rather it was Freud’s und
    eveloped
    superego that needed to learn to control the basal id, or throu
    gh
    B. F.
    Skinner’s
    behavioral psychology that modi
    fied man’s behavior as if he
    were a dog being trained. Skinner put his own two-year old daug
    hter in
    one of his “Skinner boxes,” forc
    ing her to do certain behaviors
    by a
    reward and punishment system of candy and electrical shocks,
    respectively.
    But what happens in these skewed paradigms is that Nature, beca
    use it
    no longer has Grace to control it, becomes autonomous, and with
    autonomy comes determinism, and with determinism man becomes a
    machine, without any meaning or significance, something his ima
    ge-of-
    God psyche will not let him accept. In order to escape the inev
    itable
    insignificance of an autonomous Nature, Rousseau took a leap in
    to
    Freedom as the ideal, thus fomenting revolution because society
    had
    restrained man’s freedom. Rousseau could not live under the Lin
    e of No
    Return, for it made him into a robot. He sought an escape in re
    volution,
    hoping that it would somehow relieve the tension and the futili
    ty. But
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    alas, like everyone else who tried to make the leap into the ir
    rational,
    there was nothing really there, and Rousseau would die in despa
    ir.
    Conclusion
    :
    There are only a few possible answers to the philosophical prob
    lems we
    have outlined. Man must answer three basic philosophical questi
    ons if he
    is to find any meaning to life.
    First
    , he must answer the origin of his personality, for no one has
    shown
    how personality can come from the impersonal.
    Second
    , man must answer the contrast between his nobility and his
    cruelty. Man is noble because he does great things, but he is a
    lso cruel
    because he destroys both other men and the things he creates. W
    hat is it
    that that determines whether he helps the old lady across the s
    treet or
    runs her down with his car?
    Third
    , man must answer is his epistemology, how he knows what he
    knows.
    Concerning these three basic ques
    tions, there are two classes o
    f answers.
    The
    first class
    is that there is no answer, an answer which many modern
    people take, from the bumper sticker that says “Life is a bitch
    , and then
    you die” or “Whoever dies with the most toys, wins,” to Sartre’
    s
    “everything is absurd,” to John Cage’s
    musique concrète
    , to Aldous
    Huxley’s leap into the irrational comfort of mind-altering drug
    s. We, as
    Catholics who are commanded to evangelize the world, must point
    out to
    these modern people that they simply cannot live in their syste
    m, just as
    John Cage found out that he could not eat mushrooms randomly, e
    lse he
    would die of poison. The fact is, the universe shouts with orde
    r and
    complexity. It works like a well-oiled clock. It is not a mass
    of confusion.
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    Hence, man must conform to the universe. He must use logic and
    order.
    They are not absurd.
    The
    second class
    of answers, of course, is that there is a genuine answer
    that is logical, rational, complete and can be communicated. Of
    this
    second class, there are three possibilities.
    The
    first answer
    is that everything came from nothing. This, of course, is
    only a theoretical answer, because we know that something canno
    t come
    from nothing. Yet often when a s
    cientist or secular philosopher
    uses this
    argument, he will try to make nothing into a little something s
    o he can at
    least start from somewhere. Various words are chosen to arrive
    at this
    position as, for example, when Stephen Hawking, the world famou
    s
    physicist, refers to the universe as beginning from “an infinit
    esimal point
    so small that we cannot conceive of it” or he may refer to it w
    ith the more
    convenient scientific term, “the singularity.” We cannot let th
    em get away
    with this, because it is a lie. If they are going to argue that
    the universe
    came from nothing, then it must be an absolute nothing. No sing
    ularities,
    no infinitesimal matter, n
    o energy, no nothing.
    The
    second answer
    is to maintain that all we see now in the universe
    had an impersonal beginning, such as raw energy or mass. As we
    already
    saw, however, if you start with the impersonal, you end up with
    the
    impersonal, unless you can show h
    ow the personal can come from
    the
    impersonal, which no one has ever done. Modern science’s answer
    to
    personality is merely to say that it is a product of the impers
    onal
    (neurons) plus complexity (billions of neurons), resulting in a
    what
    appears like personality.
    Further, an impersonal beginning can never produce genuine mora
    ls.
    Morals become the product of mere metaphysics, or even worse, a
    product of statistics (as in Alfred Kinsey’s
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    Male
    ), or the majority vote (as in various forms of democracy, or e
    ven in
    Plato’s
    Republic
    wherein the concept of the
    po
    v
    liV
    [the city] is replaced by
    the Philosopher Kings). Modern man’s religions are also inadequ
    ate for
    this task, because each of them begins with an impersonal deity
    or deities
    that do not love or communicate, but just exist. In pantheism,
    for
    example, morals do not exist, for everything in pantheism is eq
    ual. There
    is no diversity, no particulars to match the unity, the univers
    als. The final
    Karma of Hinduism is to accept your impersonality and reject yo
    ur
    individuality so that you can become absorbed into the One impe
    rsonal.
    But if we begin from the persona
    l (as Christianity does), then
    morals do
    not depend on mere metaphysics but on pure love.
    The
    third answer
    is to begin with the personal. Please note, there are no
    other answers than these three. As someone once said, when you
    get
    down to the basic questions, the
    re are few people left in the r
    oom. We can
    use this to our advantage in evangelizing modern man, for we ca
    n safely
    show him that Christianity is not merely the best answer, it is
    the only
    answer. God and man are separated by infinity, but they are jo
    ined by
    personality. Man and animal are joined by being finite, but the
    y are
    separated by personality. So man must bridge the chasm between
    God
    and himself through personality, or by relating to God on a per
    sonal level.
    As Christianity teaches, for example, if we have offended a per
    sonal God,
    we seek his personal forgiveness, we draw on his personal quali
    ty of
    mercy and compassion.
    Likewise, in being of
    fended, yet also bei
    ng infinite
    in majesty and power, God requires, in the personal realm, an
    appeasement of his person in order to preserve his honor. Thus
    the
    Second Person of the Trinity, by his own personality, voluntari
    ly gave
    himself to be the propitiation to appease the First Person. It
    is all based
    on personhood and what is required to preserve personhood. This
    is why
    we also call God “Father,” and not
    “The Other,” or merely “the
    Infinite,” for
    “Father” is a personal term.
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    And in that answer we have not only the personal and infinite G
    od, we
    have the Three Persons who each have their own Personality, wit
    hin that
    infinite God. There was a very good reason that our Church Fath
    ers
    referred to the Trinity as Persons, as opposed to Modes (as in
    Modalism
    or Sabellianism), because each one in the Trinity is personal.
    The Persons
    of the Trinity loved and communicated with each other before cr
    eation,
    and when the Trinity created man the Persons instilled in man t
    he same
    personal traits so that man could love God and love his fellow
    man. And
    because God is personal and the members of the Godhead loved ea
    ch
    other, God did not need to create man in order to love. Rather,
    God
    created man because of love, to foster love, to reflect the God
    head’s love.
    The finite and the infinite coul
    d be joined together by love, w
    hich would
    hold them together for the rest of eternity. This contrasts to
    Hinduism.
    Although there are five faces in the Hindu presentation of God,
    they are
    not persons, they are impersonal entities. One of the entities
    is feminine,
    Kali, but she is a destroyer, often pictured with fangs and sku
    lls hanging
    around her neck. This is because there is no difference between
    cruelty
    and non-cruelty in Hinduism. Perhaps the feminine representatio
    n in Kali
    is a picture of Eve, which is not uncommon in pagan religions.
    So we see how in all these instances philosophy has an overwhel
    ming
    effect on how modern man thinks
    and lives his daily life. There
    is only one
    answer for modern man. It is Christianity. Go out to the highwa
    ys and
    byways and tell them the Good News!

    Robert A. Sungenis, Ph.D.

    My thanks to Christian philosopher, Dr. Francis Schaeffer, for
    much of the
    information contained herein, and with whom I personally communicated
    on these topics before his death in 1984.


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    Philosophy and its Effect on Society
    [abbreviated version]

    By Robert A. Sungenis, Ph.D.


    Plato and Aristotle

    In life, everything is interconnected in some fashion.  Sometimes the interconnections are obvious; sometimes they are obscure.  Philosophy suffers the burden of being one of the more esoteric of human disciplines, at least as far as the typical man in the street is concerned, and thus its connections to everything else in the world are often more obscure.

    But the connections between philosophy and everyday life are very direct.

    Although philosophical ideas are the first in line of men’s ideas, they usually find their way into everyday life by being processed and displayed in more ostensible forms, such as art, music, architecture, cinema, literature, clichés or dialogues in bar rooms.

    But as in every other discipline, there are only two kinds, Christian and non-Christian. This lecture is going to show us the beliefs and proposition of non-Christian philosophy and its effect on everyday life. We will show the problems and futility of non-Christian philosophy and why Christian philosophy is not only a better answer, it is the only answer for modern man.

    According to most modern philosophers, Plato is the beginning of all philosophy. Among other things, Platonism contains the philosophical concept that the material world we experience on earth has, in the spiritual realm, an ideal image or abstraction of itself.

    Picture yourself being bitten by a mosquito. There is one thing important to know about this mosquito, however. It is the last mosquito alive on planet earth.

    Nevertheless, because of the pain, you decide to smack the mosquito with your hand. Having been flattened like a pancake, the mosquito is virtually unrecognizable. But you need not lose hope that you have eliminated the mosquito entirely from existence, because according to Plato, in the spiritual realm there is an ideal image of a mosquito preserved for eternity, and thus the universe shall never lose the perfect picture and essence of a mosquito.

    Hence, in Platonic philosophy, it was the “ideal image” in the spiritual realm that gave everything of the material world its real meaning and purpose. This ideal image would not be any one kind of mosquito, but a kind of abstract composite of all mosquitoes. In modern language, the millions of particular mosquitoes would have their one universal integration point in the ideal mosquito.

    According to Plato, we know of this ideal mosquito because we once existed there, but now we find ourselves on planet Earth with thousands of different kinds of material mosquitoes.

    This is where the philosophical phrase “a priori” originates, for we, says Plato, had a “prior” life in another world. From the knowledge we gained in this “prior life,” we possess universal eternal truths which we obtained from the ideal images – truths that will never change, whether the are stated here, on Mars, Alpha Centauri, or wherever; or whether they are stated in the past, in the present, or in the future. How does a seven year old know that 2 + 2 not only equals four, but will always equal four?  Because these are “a priori” eternal truths that can never change.

    The search for the origin and nature of eternal truths is behind every philosophy known to man. This has always been the most significant philosophical question: “what do we know; and how do we know it?”

    Whereas Plato answered the question of the origin of eternal truths by saying they came from “a priori” knowledge, Aristotle answered that the The Christian answer is, yes, we can have a “final experience,” but it is with a personal God who communicates verifiable truth to us as personal beings, truth that can be discussed and debated, and held accountable against all other systems of thought and practice.

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    We, as Catholics who are commanded to evangelize the world, must point out to these modern people that they simply cannot live in their system, just as John Cage [whose story is in the deleted center portion of this article] found out that he could not eat mushrooms randomly, else he would die of poison. The fact is, the universe shouts with order and complexity. It works like a well-oiled clock. It is not a mass of confusion.

    Hence, man must conform to the universe. He must use logic and order.  They are not absurd.  The second class of answers, of course, is that there is a genuine answer that is logical, rational, complete and can be communicated. Of this second class, there are three possibilities.

    The first answer is that everything came from nothing. This, of course, is only a theoretical answer, because we know that something cannot come from nothing. Yet often when a scientist or secular philosopher uses this argument, he will try to make nothing into a little something so he can at least start from somewhere. Various words are chosen to arrive at this position as, for example, when Stephen Hawking, the world famous physicist, refers to the universe as beginning from “an infinitesimal point so small that we cannot conceive of it” or he may refer to it with the more convenient scientific term, “the singularity.”

    We cannot let them get away with this, because it is a lie. If they are going to argue that the universe came from nothing, then it must be an absolute nothing. No singularities, no infinitesimal matter, no energy, no nothing.

    The second answer is to maintain that all we see now in the universe had an impersonal beginning, such as raw energy or mass. As we already saw, however, if you start with the impersonal, you end up with the impersonal, unless you can show how the personal can come from the impersonal, which no one has ever done. Modern science’s answer to personality is merely to say that it is a product of the impersonal (neurons) plus complexity (billions of neurons), resulting in a what appears like personality.

    Further, an impersonal beginning can never produce genuine morals.  Morals become the product of mere metaphysics, or even worse, a product of statistics (as in Alfred Kinsey’s sɛҳuąƖ Behavior of the Human Male), or the majority vote (as in various forms of democracy, or even in Plato’s Republic wherein the concept of the povliV [the city] is replaced by the Philosopher Kings). Modern man’s religions are also inadequate for this task, because each of them begins with an impersonal deity or deities that do not love or communicate, but just exist.

    In pantheism, for example, morals do not exist, for everything in pantheism is equal. There is no diversity, no particulars to match the unity, the universals. The final Karma of Hinduism is to accept your impersonality and reject your individuality so that you can become absorbed into the One impersonal.  But if we begin from the personal (as Christianity does), then morals do not depend on mere metaphysics but on pure love.

    The third answer is to begin with the personal. Please note, there are no other answers than these three. As someone once said, when you get down to the basic questions, there are few people left in the room.

    We can use this to our advantage in evangelizing modern man, for we can safely show him that Christianity is not merely the best answer, it is the only answer. God and man are separated by infinity, but they are joined by personality. Man and animal are joined by being finite, but they are separated by personality. So man must bridge the chasm between God and himself through personality, or by relating to God on a personal level.

    As Christianity teaches, for example, if we have offended a personal God, we seek his personal forgiveness, we draw on his personal quality of mercy and compassion.

    Likewise, in being offended, yet also being infinite in majesty and power, God requires, in the personal realm, an appeasement of his person in order to preserve his honor. Thus the Second Person of the Trinity, by his own personality, voluntarily gave himself to be the propitiation to appease the First Person. It is all based on personhood and what is required to preserve personhood. This is why we also call God “Father,” and not “The Other,” or merely “the Infinite,” for “Father” is a personal term.

    And in that answer we have not only the personal and infinite God, we have the Three Persons who each have their own Personality, within that infinite God. There was a very good reason that our Church Fathers referred to the Trinity as Persons, as opposed to Modes (as in Modalism or Sabellianism), because each one in the Trinity is personal.

    The Persons of the Trinity loved and communicated with each other before creation, and when the Trinity created man the Persons instilled in man the same personal traits so that man could love God and love his fellow man. And because God is personal and the members of the Godhead loved each other, God did not need to create man in order to love. Rather, God created man because of love, to foster love, to reflect the Godhead’s love.

    The finite and the infinite could be joined together by love, which would hold them together for the rest of eternity. This contrasts to Hinduism.  Although there are five faces in the Hindu presentation of God, they are not persons, they are impersonal entities. One of the entities is feminine, Kali, but she is a destroyer, often pictured with fangs and skulls hanging around her neck. This is because there is no difference between cruelty and non-cruelty in Hinduism. Perhaps the feminine representation in Kali is a picture of Eve, which is not uncommon in pagan religions.

    So we see how in all these instances philosophy has an overwhelming effect on how modern man thinks and lives his daily life. There is only one answer for modern man. It is Christianity. Go out to the highways and byways and tell them the Good News!


    Robert A. Sungenis, Ph.D.



    My thanks to Christian philosopher, Dr. Francis Schaeffer, for much of the information contained herein, and with whom I personally communicated on these topics before his death in 1984.


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  • This is an interesting post. It is too bad that there have not been more responses to it.

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    This is an interesting post. It is too bad that there have not been more responses to it.


    Most people are ignorant of philosophy and its importance in the Church, and many Catholics are afraid to think about these things.  

    Our Catholic philosophical heritage is the thing that will make the difference in any future restoration of Holy Mother Church on planet earth.  

    Anyone who thinks there won't be any such restoration is most likely a person who doesn't know anything about philosophy, or, the 'philosophy' he does know is tainted with the corruption of modern 'philosophers' such as this new kid on the block, John Paul II, a 'phenomenologist' philosopher.

    Understanding philosophia perennis gives one the sound basis one needs to recognize the deception afoot when the likes of JPII is so-called canonized.  But that is not specifically the topic of the OP, I'm mentioning it as an example of the benefits to be found in proper philosophical outlook.  The same erroneous thinking that spawned the artificial reverence for JPII is behind the Newchurch tolerance of false religions, bad theology, contra-Catholic philosophy and Copernican cosmology.  

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  • Yes it is the particular incarnation of thought which underlies all that is said and done, for good, or for ill.  


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    Yes it is the particular incarnation of thought which underlies all that is said and done, for good, or for ill.  



    It's curious you would refer to thought as something that can be incarnated.  

    There's no doubt that thought can be conceived, but is that what you mean by "particular incarnation?"

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    Yes it is the particular incarnation of thought which underlies all that is said and done, for good, or for ill.  



    It's curious you would refer to thought as something that can be incarnated.  

    There's no doubt that thought can be conceived, but is that what you mean by "particular incarnation?"

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    Does it not enter into man and ultimately find its expression and actualization through him? By particular I refer to an individual strain of conception, which when developed become a coherent philosophy, which then underpins certain modes of action.


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    It seems to me if you're going to make bumper sticker statements it's best not do drag a word like "incarnation" into a topic where it can be so easily misunderstood.  Philosophy is no doubt important and it quickly underpins the thinking of men which affects their actions and their culture.  

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    The PDF is viewable directly using your browser at this website page:

    http://galileowaswrong.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Philosophy-and-its-Effect-on-Society.pdf


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    It is appropriate that the first topic in this essay is "Plato and Aristotle," although, I do wish it had been "Aristotle and Plato."  

    In the 2.4 millennia since they lived, the majority of Aristotle's followers have been sound thinkers, while the majority of Plato's followers have run into one kind of pitfall or another.  The latest version is the modern philosophers, most of whom consider Plato to be the beginning of philosophy in all the world.  But these same moderns have all but lost the ability to use sound reasoning.  That ought to tell you something.  

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