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Title: Pete Seger died.
Post by: Matto on January 28, 2014, 07:01:19 PM
Pete Seger died. My parents were fans of this folk singer and were watching segments on the News about his life tonight. Here is a New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/arts/music/pete-seeger-songwriter-and-champion-of-folk-music-dies-at-94.html?_r=0) article about him.
Title: Pete Seger died.
Post by: Frances on January 28, 2014, 07:33:56 PM
 :dancing-banana:
One by one, the hippies are meeting their Maker.  I saw Pete Seeger once, in 1976 at a demonstration against a nuclear power plant. I learned some things about liberals in general.  They claim to fight for the little guy, but they're really out for themselves.  The end justifies the means.  They're professional agitators and manipulators, they have low or no personal moral standards.  They make idols out of people like Pete Seger but excoriate those who worship there God.  They don't work.  They leave behind mounds of litter wherever they go.  They have no respect for others' property.
Title: Pete Seger died.
Post by: Sigismund on January 28, 2014, 07:37:08 PM
I enjoyed his music.  I met him once at a concert and he was pleasant enough.  I was for the most part  not a fan of his politics, of course.  
Title: Pete Seger died.
Post by: Stephen Francis on January 29, 2014, 12:56:01 AM
Frances,

and those are EXACTLY the kinds of people that Pete wished would clean up their acts, literally and figuratively. He had little patience for "pop-culture protest", which usually didn't involve much actual DOING of anything.

No, Pete wasn't a Catholic, but he did more in a lifetime of studied distance from all of the polemics that fly around religion than most zealots out there combined.

No, I didn't agree with all of his politics, but I think there are times when someone like Pete Seeger can teach us ideologues a thing or two about HOW we get our message across, if not about the content of the message itself.

Would everyone on CI who was even remotely aware of Pete do two things for me?

1) pray for his soul

and

2) pick a favorite song, be it a hymn or whatever, and sing it. No choirs, instruments, YouTube accompaniment or any such thing required. Just find a song that says something about you, about Our Lord, about the Virgin... something that matters to you, heart and soul, and sing it.

It's what Pete taught the world to try to do.

Oh, and before (just in case) anyone chimes in about Communism or Pete's experience with the US government's UnAmerican Activities proceedings, let's remember that Pete Seeger was an honorably-discharged veteran of the United States Army during wartime. May God have mercy on him.
Title: Pete Seger died.
Post by: poche on January 29, 2014, 10:23:06 PM
May his soul and teh souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
Title: Pete Seger died.
Post by: crossbro on January 30, 2014, 02:03:50 AM

May he rest in peas.
Title: Pete Seger died.
Post by: Man of the West on January 30, 2014, 06:11:19 AM
Let me preface my remarks by saying, first of all, that it is not wrong to pray for somebody if you are moved to do so. So go ahead and pray for Pete Seeger if you must.

But more importantly, this man was no example to follow in faith, morals, philosophy, politics, or art. He should neither be imitated by Catholics nor given any sort of public honors or recognition. He spent his entire public life fighting for the very forces of progressivism responsible for the collapse of the faith and the moral decay of what once was Christendom. Here's  couple a couple of Pete Seeger quotes from Wikipedia:

Quote
I guess anyone who calls himself a Christian should be prepared to apologize for the Inquisition, the burning of heretics by Protestants, the slaughter of Jєωs and Muslims by Crusaders.

Where have all the Flowers Gone? Pete Seeger, 1993


Quote
I still call myself a communist, because communism is no more what Russia made of it than Christianity is what the churches make of it.

Pete Seeger, interview, 1995


I was never much into folk music myself, but there is a lot of other music I happen to like, such as prog rock and '80s arena rock, that I now listen to only rarely and out of weakness, because I know it brings little glory to God. I admit I would probably say a prayer for Phil Collins or Lou Gramm or Alan Parsons if they happened to die tomorrow (it's a normal human response), but I could not in good conscience argue that they are among the elect simply because I liked their music, nor would I want to hold them up as examples to be imitated by Catholics. And despite my lifelong love of The Eagles, I don't think I would even bother praying for the likes of Don Henley if he turned up dead in the morning. He gives every indication of being a damned soul.

Rock music at its finest can be very enjoyable to listen to. Sometimes it even reaches a sort of contemplative plateau that passes judgment on the deceptions of the world and casts about for contrition and grace, as if it were a prodigal son wanting to go home; but a lot of times it decidedly does not reach that plateau and instead participates in and champions a most hideous worldliness. It is only rarely edifying, and even then only by virtue of God's grace and some underlying predisposition of the soul.

The overriding point is, people are not rendered good and acceptable to God just because you or I happen to like them. This goes for friends and relatives, favorite musicians, high school sweethearts, second grade teachers, and anybody else you can think of. If you really love somebody, work and pray for their salvation now, before the judgment comes.

I am very disturbed by the tendency I note, near universal among Traditional Catholics, to like whatever they want, believe whatever they want, and excuse whomever they want.
Title: Pete Seger died.
Post by: BTNYC on January 30, 2014, 08:01:30 AM
I wish to second MotW's laudably Catholic assessment of this communist.

Dismissing his commitment to that International Satanic Conspiracy against Christ and His Church as mere "politics" is a scandalous outrage from anyone with even a pretense to being a Catholic, to say nothing of alleged "traditionalists." Seeger showed actual open and fervent support to the Communist killers of priests and rapists of nuns in the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr. Thank God General Franco rose up and killed these swine. And Seeger would have deserved no less for giving them aid and comfort,  had he been on Spanish soil at the time.

And please spare us any talk of his military service, as though we are supposed to find anything admirable in his serving in this nation's Zionist lapdog army in a war that was itself a sham that ultimately served no purpose other than to: strengthen Soviet Russia, establish the Christ-hating criminal state of Israel, and the godless UN.

May God have mercy on his soul, and may his hateful music (which is all the more so for its deceptively "nithe" melodies) die with him.
Title: Pete Seger died.
Post by: SJB on January 30, 2014, 08:40:24 AM
Pete Seeger - Unitarian Universalist (http://www.uua.org/beliefs/history/6186.shtml)

He was a Calvinist protestant who became a Unitarian Universalist.


Title: Pete Seger died.
Post by: Capt McQuigg on January 30, 2014, 10:40:06 AM
His music is/was largely overrated.  He was a hero to the left.

Did he write a handful of catchy songs?  Maybe.  

Are those songs significant?  Hardly.

Did he embrace communism?  Absolutely.

Did he seek to create division and disharmony where once there was peace?  Yes.

Did he confess his sins to a validly ordained Catholic priest before dying?  I hope so, if only for the sake of his soul.
Title: Pete Seger died.
Post by: Tiffany on January 30, 2014, 11:02:51 AM
Never heard of him before until I saw the post on FB about his death.
Title: Pete Seger died.
Post by: Capt McQuigg on January 30, 2014, 11:48:49 AM
Quote from: Tiffany
Never heard of him before until I saw the post on FB about his death.


Precisely!

He's a famous name in the folk music world because of the political views he espoused.  It's just the way it is.  He was a real hero to misfits.