Author Topic: Post Vatican II saints. (Read 572 times)

cassini · « **on:** May 12, 2023, 07:16:20 AM »

Elsewhere I got myself into 'trouble' because I would not support Fulton Sheen being made a Saint of the Church. At first this guy thought I was not a Catholic and that was why. When he found out I was he inferred I was not a 'good' Catholic because of my opinion on sainthood. He then put me to the test:

'By the way, you didn't comment on my conclusion about your feelings for Pope St. John Paul II,' he wrote.

I replied:

‘The Grand Orient of Italy decided to award the Pontiff Pope John Paul II with the Order of Galileo Galilei, the highest form of recognition able to be made by Italy’s freemasons to a non-member, in recognition for his promotion of universal masonic values of fraternity, respect for the dignity of man, and the spirit of tolerance… Our intention is to pay homage to a man (the Pope] who, unlike his predecessors, showed himself to be extremely open-minded, rehabilitating Galileo, promoting a critical analysis of the Inquisition [etc., etc.].’---Catholic Herald.

Enough said.

He replied: 'Venerable Fulton Sheen and Pope Saint John Paul II were two of the greatest Catholics of the 20th century, yet you refuse to acknowledge that. I guess we'll have to just let the Holy Spirit sort it all out, (which most Catholics believe was already done in the case of Pope St. John Paul II)'

O.K. The question is, are Catholics today obliged to accept all those saints canonised after Vatican II as saints to be looked up to? Is this compulsory on Catholics today?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** May 12, 2023, 05:46:33 PM »

Quote from: cassini on May 12, 2023, 07:16:20 AM

Elsewhere I got myself into 'trouble' because I would not support Fulton Sheen being made a Saint of the Church. At first this guy thought I was not a Catholic and that was why. When he found out I was he inferred I was not a 'good' Catholic because of my opinion on sainthood. He then put me to the test:

'By the way, you didn't comment on my conclusion about your feelings for Pope St. John Paul II,' he wrote.

I replied:

‘The Grand Orient of Italy decided to award the Pontiff Pope John Paul II with the Order of Galileo Galilei, the highest form of recognition able to be made by Italy’s freemasons to a non-member, in recognition for his promotion of universal masonic values of fraternity, respect for the dignity of man, and the spirit of tolerance… Our intention is to pay homage to a man (the Pope] who, unlike his predecessors, showed himself to be extremely open-minded, rehabilitating Galileo, promoting a critical analysis of the Inquisition [etc., etc.].’---Catholic Herald.

Enough said.

He replied: 'Venerable Fulton Sheen and Pope Saint John Paul II were two of the greatest Catholics of the 20th century, yet you refuse to acknowledge that. I guess we'll have to just let the Holy Spirit sort it all out, (which most Catholics believe was already done in the case of Pope St. John Paul II)'

O.K. The question is, are Catholics today obliged to accept all those saints canonised after Vatican II as saints to be looked up to? Is this compulsory on Catholics today?

JP2 is about as much a saint as my pet cat, and was as much the pope as my dog. Normally, when we have a legitimate pope who solemnly canonizes an individual, yes, Catholics would be required to respect and show him reverence, although not necessarily emulate him in every respect. Nor would one be obliged to hold that they were "two of the greatest saints of the 20th century".

Yes, as this poster said, the Holy Spirit will indeed sort it out ... and it won't be how he thinks.

Author Topic: Post Vatican II saints. (Read 572 times)

cassini

Post Vatican II saints.

Ladislaus

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