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Offline Matthew

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« on: July 27, 2007, 09:22:26 AM »
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  • REAL ID, REAL SOON

     From the Seattle area, this telling email from a reader:

        "I just got off the phone w a friend of mine who I haven't talked with for about a month. In the course of our conversation, he tells me about his good friend going to renew his driver's license. This friend was four days late renewing, so he had to have two pieces of picture ID in order to renew. The trick was that he couldn't use his old license as one of them. So, he runs back and forth four times and finally satisfies the criteria to get his license. After he renews he comments to the lady at the desk what a hassle it was. She responds...

        SEE THOSE BOXES ON THE FLOOR, THOSE ARE THE NEW NATIONAL ID'S. WAIT TILL YOU SEE WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO GET ONE OF THOSE. WE ARE JUST WAITING FOR INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO GIVE THEM OUT.....
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    « Reply #1 on: July 27, 2007, 09:24:53 AM »
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  • I would suggest stocking up on food, toiletries, durable goods, etc. NOW so that just in case this turns out to be "the mark of the beast" or an otherwise unacceptable path for a good Catholic, you will have some kind of buffer before you starve.

    What if they require a vaccine? (which might just GIVE you a disease, or predispose your body to be weak to the coming "kill-off" virus they will release)

    What if you have to register your religion (and they might frown on "fundamentalist" potential domestic terrorist religions like Mormon, Amish, Baptist, Trad Catholic) or a hundred other things I can't think of right now.

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    Offline Magdalene

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    « Reply #2 on: July 27, 2007, 11:45:59 PM »
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  • What are the new national IDs?

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    « Reply #3 on: July 28, 2007, 09:28:29 AM »
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  • Why You Should Resist the National ID Card

    Prison Planet | September 16 2005

    This piece focuses on the introduction of the British national ID card but the same principles can be applied in any country.

    1) A government engaging in escalating criminal actions and becoming more and more secretive should not be watching and tracking us as if we're all criminals. The same goes for CCTV surveillance. That's not freedom. Would you let a convicted murderer and pedophile watch your child 24/7?

    The often peddled mantra of 'why should you care if you have nothing to hide?' is manifestly ridiculous in light of the fact that we have a government that has everything to hide and yet we're the ones under suspicion.

    Should it concern us that our government shredded hundreds of thousands of docuмents before a 1st January Freedom of Information deadline? Why should the government care about freedom of information if they have nothing to hide?

    But they did care enough to order this mass shredding.

    We are told by the government to make our lives completely transparent or go to jail while the government itself becomes more secretive than ever before.

    Why should they know everything about me when they won't tell me anything about them?

    Would you walk up to a gang of criminals and give them your credit card and PIN number?

    2) The government told us that the ID card would make our information more secure. Blair said this would protect, not infringe our liberties. And how did they propose paying for it? By selling the information of 44 million British citizens to private companies. How secure is that?

    3) As a perspective on how governing powers use ID cards, consider the fact that residents of Fallujah in Iraq were finger scanned, given retina scans and ID cards just to be able to leave and enter the village. Every citizen is treated as a potential insurgent and is given an ID card. Is that how our government views us all, as potential insurgents?

    So, what do you have to hide? is the wrong question. The question should be, why does the government need to know everything about me?

    4) ID cards will not stop terrorism. Even the Home Secretary Charles Clarke admitted it after the London bombings. In addition, the Blair government has been caught faking terror alerts to push through increased power. Firstly in the case of the Ricin plot that never was and also an attack on Canary Wharf which was admitted to be totally scripted. Furthermore, the so-called London bombing mastermind was an MI6 asset. Reams of evidence point to the bombings being an inside job, one of the purposes of which was making British people accept ID cards. Large scale terrorist atrocities worldwide always lead back to government perpetrators. In this instance it is important to recall Herman Goering's quote,

    "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

    5) Top criminologists have gone public to say that ID cards will actually result in an increase in identity theft, not a decrease as the government claims.

    6) The introduction of the national ID card is one step further towards the mandatory implantation of ID chips in all British citizens. Does this sound outlandish? Implantable chip technology has been in existence for a decade and discussions on ID chipping humans is in the news regularly. Tommy Thompson, the former Health and Human Services Secretary in the Bush administration, had a chip implanted and is now touring the country lauding the virtues of ID chips. During the the confirmation hearings for John Roberts Jr., George W. Bush's nominee for Supreme Court chief justice, Roberts was questioned by Senator Joseph R. Biden on whether he would rule against a mandatory implantable microchip to track American citizens.

    7) The purpose of government is to serve the people, not control them. Any scheme of national registration is alien to the basic fundamental principles of a supposed free country.
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    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    « Reply #4 on: July 28, 2007, 09:42:41 AM »
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  • This is getting down right ridiculous.  cινιℓ ωαr is not far off, imo.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


    Offline Clodovicus

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    « Reply #5 on: August 09, 2007, 12:00:12 AM »
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  • Regarding the first post, I know this guy's hearache, I just got mine , unfortunately, 2 years after appointed time because I lost my proof of identity, so it took me 1 year, and 4 months, after the first two, going through the motions to get my lisence. And THEN, if you lose it, then you really have a problem, again go through the motions, took three weeks.
    Getting it renewed was worse. Went to the counter, and asked to have it renewed, they said, You have to wait till it expires first.
    So, after that, went back, and said You can't do that because the license is expired, well, so much for that, THEN, had to go through motions again, and each docuмent takes several days to have issued, and then, several days to be mailed. Not only is it ridiculous, but the way they treat the docuмents, they require a certain docuмent, and then, when you have it, say it does not prove your identity.
    I could steal someone's identity easier than it is to use my own.
    I could impersonate a relative, easier than simply being me, it is totally ludicrous.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 09, 2007, 09:42:12 AM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    This is getting down right ridiculous.  cινιℓ ωαr is not far off, imo.


    Don't know about authority breakdown. If the well-armed criminal gangs can't beat the police in the 'neighborhoods', it will take a lot for the local and central authority to break down, at any rate. But it is ridiculous. Many have opposed this national ID for many years. The government doesn't need to know. We want smaller government, not a larger one. I'm surprized that instead of - Americard - someone hasn't come up with the name - Homelandcard - since the powers that be are so keen on that odd word, homeland (maybe homeland, because it might sound local, or suggest slightly less the idea of national borders and national sovereignty - and Constitutional protections).