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Offline Thursday

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Ongoing discussion on Cardinal Siri
« on: August 04, 2011, 08:08:20 AM »
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  • A thread has been posted on a big Irish political forum about the possibility that Cardinal Siri was elected pope.

    That some of you might want to join in or just spectate.

    Lots of anti-Catholic on this board but some good catholics there too.

    http://www.politics.ie/forum/history/167024-1958-coup-detat-catholic-church-what-can-done-about.html


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    Ongoing discussion on Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #1 on: August 04, 2011, 09:48:23 AM »
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  • Most of the people posting in that thread appear to have a very anti-catholic bias, and thus their thinking is very carnal and profane. I think attempts to have a civillized discussion with them are pearls before swine. Their inner disorder becomes quite visible in the hatred they express for religion, and it makes them unable to argue in a way that is in accordance with reason.


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    Ongoing discussion on Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #2 on: August 04, 2011, 10:02:01 AM »
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  • The better part of them yes but you never know if there is a fellow on the verge of figuring things out. I've had several people comment that they liked my posts so I think it's not completely in vain.

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    Ongoing discussion on Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #3 on: August 04, 2011, 10:18:41 AM »
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  • That was interesting, Thursday.  The YouTube Siri series was thought-provoking.

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    Ongoing discussion on Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #4 on: August 04, 2011, 10:21:55 AM »
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  • Quote from: Exilenomore
    Most of the people posting in that thread appear to have a very anti-catholic bias, and thus their thinking is very carnal and profane. I think attempts to have a civillized discussion with them are pearls before swine. Their inner disorder becomes quite visible in the hatred they express for religion, and it makes them unable to argue in a way that is in accordance with reason.


    I was unprepared for the malevolence so it hurt me.  Wish I'd read your observations beforehand.


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    Ongoing discussion on Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 11:39:24 AM »
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  • It seems pretty clear that the 1958 and 1963 elections involved some skulduggery, etc.  Still, Siri (+RIP+) has been dead for 22 years.  How does that solve anything?  If he had a successor, who is (perhaps) also dead, where is HIS successor?  And where is an ecclesiastic with some guts?  IOW, if this is the deal, why is everyone involved so afraid to speak openly and claim their inheritance?  What good is a leader if he is afraid to, or does not lead?  

    [As an aside, DH, who promotes similar ideas and claims to be 'the great go between' for the 'hierarchy in hiding', is a bona fide nutbar-jackass whose apparently-incurable imbalance and habitual harassment of others makes one wonder if the 'cardinals in hiding' are among the least prudent men to ever live.]
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    « Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 12:17:58 PM »
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  • David Hobson got his information from the research of Gary Giuffré, whom he now persecutes. So, the research regarding Cardinal Siri and the 1958 conclave should be able to be discussed apart from DH.

    As to why an underground hierarchy would stay underground in the present circuмstances, I will just say that it is easy to make judgements for those who are not in that particular situation themselves. The latter cannot know what exactly the motivation or reason could be why they still have not made a public resistance against the masonically controlled society.

    It is in any case known, and captured on video tape, that the Italian Abp. Pintonello (before a group of traditional Catholics) explicitly confirmed that Cardinal Siri was the Pope, and that he made a cryptic allusion towards his succession.

    The Marquis de la Franquerie, who was a friend of Marie-Julie de Jahenny (the Breton stigmatist) and Secret Chamberlain of His Holiness Pius XII, is also said to have believed that it is true, after the famous conversation which he, along with two other persons, had with Card. Siri.

    These were two reputed men in the Church, so I would personally not disregard these testimonies too rashly.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 04, 2011, 01:47:35 PM »
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  • Thanks for posting this Thurs and I agree w/ Exile that the Siri controversy can be discussed outside of Mr Hobson ( a choice).

    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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    « Reply #8 on: August 04, 2011, 09:56:08 PM »
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  • Are those vids from Dimond Bros? I was under the impression they did not recognise Pope Gregory. I am now somewhat more confused about M Martin also but from what I saw, it seems like more evidence that Siri was elected. Or was it Tedeschini somehow in 1958?

    At any rate, the attempts by some in the Forum to say that the whole thing collapses because it rests on one person is a joke.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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    « Reply #9 on: August 04, 2011, 11:10:56 PM »
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  • I have not read M Martin as his cordial relations with Art Bell are troubling.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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    « Reply #10 on: August 05, 2011, 12:43:28 AM »
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  • I can understand an underground hierarchy remaining underground, if I include the idea of black magic being used, for example.

    There is a huge spiritual battle going on with some big players, to put it simply.  

    I will watch the YouTubes again, even.

    Exilenomore, have you got links to the videos you have mentioned?  They are intriguing.


    And Roscoe, MM was just being interviewed by Bell--they were not friends.  MM was always warm and amiable to whomever interviewed him, and charitable to callers-in.  In those days, Bell had a large following of his late, late night radio show, and MM reached out and taught lots of people about Catholicism, Fatima and the remedy for demonic possession.  He gave out his address so that people could write to him for help.  People who are always awake all night, searching for truth.
    So don't worry about the radio show host.  :geezer:


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    « Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 01:28:07 AM »
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  • Are U saying that those who remained true to Innocent in spite of Anacletus were enveloped in black magic?

    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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    « Reply #12 on: August 05, 2011, 06:22:43 AM »
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    Exilenomore, have you got links to the videos you have mentioned?  They are intriguing.



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    « Reply #13 on: August 05, 2011, 06:30:07 AM »
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  • Quote from: Hermenegild


    I have strong doubts about the Siri claim but would not dismiss it outright.


    It is of course still speculative, but the circuмstantial evidence is much more compelling than many people are willing to admit.

    That which is certain is that there must always remain Pastors of the Church with ordinary jurisdiction from whom a Pope can be elected. The constitution of the Church can never change, and thus there can never be a defection of the complete hierarchy.

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    « Reply #14 on: August 05, 2011, 07:09:32 AM »
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  • Quote from: Hermenegild
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    And where is an ecclesiastic with some guts?  IOW, if this is the deal, why is everyone involved so afraid to speak openly and claim their inheritance?  What good is a leader if he is afraid to, or does not lead?


    Because it is Christ's will that they remain in exile. The Church is in eclipse.


    Remaining in exile and remaining silent about one of the most important things in this world are two very different things.  

    If a man does not openly claim to hold an office, it is unreasonable to give grief to anyone who doubts his claim -- especially when said claim is promoted by DH.  Frankly, if I were a cardinal or pontiff-in-hiding, I would put a permanent gag order on DH, as the way he goes about his business is as helpful as a hole in the head.

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    I have strong doubts about the Siri claim but would not dismiss it outright.


    Siri is dead (+RIP+) and has been dead for 22 years.  Whatever his claim was, it is now someone else's and that someone else's claim is about as clear as mud and is made with the vigor of an aged, crippled sloth.
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