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Offline Trinity

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« on: September 07, 2006, 09:13:04 PM »
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  • Either there is such a thing called the Illuminati made up of 13 families (bloodlines) which extends back in history as practicing satanists. OR there is someone (something) called the Illuminati brought into being by Adam Weishaupt in the 18th century. It is either/or not both. I suggest that we determine which. If it is the latter, then who the heck is it? And who the heck are the 13 families?
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    « Reply #1 on: September 07, 2006, 09:48:55 PM »
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  • Why can't it be both? And anyways, some of the info presented by Springmeier is erroneous, at least concerning the Merovingians.
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    « Reply #2 on: September 07, 2006, 10:11:29 PM »
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  • Well, here is what Myron Fagan had to say:

    "Let us again go back to the first days of the Illuminati. Because Britain and France were the two greatest world powers in the late years of the 18th Century; Weishaupt ordered the Illuminati to foment the colonial wars, including our Revolutionary War, to weaken the British Empire and organize the French Revolution to start in 1789. However; in 1784, a true act of God placed the Bavarian government in possession of evidence which proved the existence of the Illuminati and that evidence could have saved France if they, the French government, hadn't refused to believe it. Here is how that act of God happened. It was in 1784 that Weishaupt issued his orders for the French Revolution. A German writer, named Zweig, put it into book form. It contained the entire Illuminati story and Weishaupt's plans. A copy of this book was sent to the Illuminists in France headed by Robespierre whom Weishaupt had delegated to foment the French Revolution. The courier was struck and killed by lightening as he rode through Rawleston on his way from Frankfurt to Paris. The police found the subversive documents on his body and turned them over to the proper authorities. After a careful study of the plot; the Bavarian government ordered the police to raid Weishaupt's newly-organized Lodges of the "Grand Orient" and the homes of his most influential associates. All additional evidence thus discovered convinced the authorities that the documents were genuine copies of the conspiracy by which the Illuminati planned to use wars and revolutions to bring about the establishment of a one-world government; the powers of which they, headed by the Rothschilds, intended to usurp as soon as it was established, exactly in line with the United Nations' plot of today.
     
     

    "In 1785, the Bavarian government outlawed the Illuminati and closed the Lodges of the "Grand Orient." In 1786; they published all the details of the conspiracy. The English title of that publication is: "The Original Writings of the Order and the Sect of the Illuminati." Copies of the entire conspiracy were sent to all the heads of church and state in Europe. But the power of the Illuminati, which was actually the power of the Rothschilds, was so great that this warning was ignored. Nevertheless; the Illuminati became a dirty word and it went underground.
     
     

    "At the same time, Weishaupt ordered Illuminists to infiltrate into the Lodges of "Blue Masonry" and formed their own secret societies within all secret societies. Only Masons who proved themselves internationalists and those whose conduct proved they had defected from God were initiated into the Illuminati. Thenceforth; the conspirators donned the cloak of philanthropy and humanitarianism to conceal their revolutionary and subversive activities. In order to infiltrate into Masonic Lodges in Britain; Weishaupt invited John Robison over to Europe. Robison was a high-degree Mason in the "Scottish Rite." He was a professor of natural philosophy at Edinburgh University and Secretary of the Royal Society of Edinburgh. Robison did not fall for the lie that the objective of the Illuminati was to create a benevolent dictatorship; but he kept his reactions to himself so well that he was entrusted with a copy of Weishaupt's revised conspiracy for study and safekeeping.
     
     

    Anyway; because the heads of state and church in France were deluded into ignoring the warnings given them; the revolution broke out in 1789 as scheduled by Weishaupt. In order to alert other governments to their danger, in 1798, Robison published a book entitled: "Proof of a conspiracy to Destroy all Governments and Religions" but his warnings were ignored exactly as our American people have been ignoring all warnings about the United Nations and the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). (Let me add here, that if the people of the earth would heed His Word, none of this could happen; just think, if the common people all listened to Jesus Christ and refused to take oaths, there would be no cover for these despicable men. - David G.)
     
     

    "Now here is something that will stun and very likely outrage many who hear this; but there is documentary proof that our own Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton became students of Weishaupt. Jefferson was one of Weishaupt's strongest defenders when he was outlawed by his government and it was Jefferson who infiltrated the Illuminati into the then newly-organized lodges of the "Scottish Rite" in New England. Here is the proof.
     
     

    "In 1789; John Robison warned all Masonic leaders in America that the Illuminati had infiltrated into their lodges and on July 19, 1789; David Papen, President of Harvard University, issued the same warning to the graduating-class and lectured them on how the influence of Illuminism was acquitting on American politics and religion, and to top it off; John Quincy Adams, who had organized the New England Masonic Lodges, issued his warnings. He wrote three letters to Colonel William L. Stone, a top Mason, in which he exposed how Jefferson was using Masonic lodges for subversive Illuministic purposes. Those three letters are at this very time in Whittenburg Square Library in Philadelphia. In short; Jefferson, founder of the Democratic Party, was a member of the Illuminati which at least partly accounts for the condition of the party at this time and through infiltration of the Republican Party; we have exactly nothing of loyal Americanism today. That disastrous rebuff at the Congress of Vienna created by the Czar of Russia did not by any means destroy the Illuminati conspiracy. It merely forced them to adopt a new strategy realizing that the one-world idea was, for the moment, killed. The Rothschilds decided that to keep the plot alive they would have to do it by heightening their control of the money-system of the European nations.
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    « Reply #3 on: September 07, 2006, 10:38:51 PM »
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    Explain this:

    the conspiracy by which the Illuminati planned to use wars and revolutions to bring about the establishment of a one-world government; the powers of which they, headed by the Rothschilds, intended to usurp as soon as it was established


    Well, I guess it is the satanic conspiracy. I don't know how I can explain this, but I think the 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati wanted to formally found an organization to carry out their plot, and they used Weishaupt to organize it and set rules for it (he was the formal head, but only a figurehead, in other words). That is why later he was not heard of after 1830 (or some such year).
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    « Reply #4 on: September 07, 2006, 11:52:30 PM »
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    He died in 1830; disappeared from history before the French Revolution (I believe)---whatever year it was the gov't discovered and exposed him.  

    I've been thinking about this and couldn't sleep so I got back on the net.   :sign-im-sorry:    You have spoken well about this in your last post, Petre.  When I was looking for the real role of Weishaupt in this, all I found over and over again is that he started the Illuminati.  So I'm wondering, why are they writing that?  And even more, why aren't people picking up on this discrepancy.  It's not a LITTLE discrepancy.

    Yes, they use people and hide behind them all the time.  But why are illuminati exposers claiming that Weishaupt is the founder of the illuminatis when he jolly well could not be?  Slippery devils!


    Msgr. George Dillon and Fagan, I guess, didn't have the resources other people now have to know more about the Illuminati but what they got from people like Robison. After all, the Illumnati were so secretive, barely any info was released, except those who were in its ranks and left it (like Robison).

    But others may indeed want to hide the true identity of the Illuminati by using Weishaupt as a scapegoat.
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    « Reply #5 on: September 08, 2006, 10:20:54 AM »
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  • Rothschilds Bilderburgs Rockerfellers Hapsburgs (I'm not too sure about the last one)

    Are families said to be of the CURRENT Illuminati.

    The Freemasons try to establish false historical ties to appear more authentic, could the Illuminati not do the same with the 13 families thing?
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    « Reply #6 on: September 08, 2006, 12:51:28 PM »
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  • That is indeed likely true. Or the Illuminati may be self-deluded, to give themselves an exaggerated sense of importance in the history of the world.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 08, 2006, 03:01:16 PM »
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  • I agree that info about them has been accurate to about the 1700s. Before that, though, I'm not quite sure.

    Also, these bloodlines do not identify with the Illuminati of the 1800s, of Weishaupt.

    I think there are several kinds of Illuminati, to say the least.

    So I don't think people are using Weishaupt as a scapegoat, but are confusing the two Illuminatis.
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    « Reply #8 on: September 08, 2006, 06:23:56 PM »
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  • "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

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    « Reply #9 on: September 08, 2006, 08:23:29 PM »
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    Scarcely had I attained my majority, when, not only did I find myself at the head of Masonry, but what is more, I occupied a distinguished place in the chapter of high grades. Before I had the power of knowing myself, before I could comprehend the situation in which I had rashly engaged myself, I found myself charged with the superior direction of the Masonic reunions of a part of Prussia, of Poland, and of Russia.

    This doesn't ring true, Petre. What was the majority back then? Eighteen? Twenty one? No one that young came out of the blue and entered into the highest realms of Freemasonry. How long could the association last with such slip shod recruitment?


    They wanted brilliant young minds. Haugwitz' was just such a one. I don't think it was slipshod recruitment. Haugwitz did pretty well, in helping to subdue Napoleon. At the same time, he was increasingly aware of the Illuminati's designs, just as Robison and Abbe Barruel did, so he left as well, too. But of course, he wasn't heeded after Napoleon's defeat.

    Remember also, that Frederick the Great was a master mason (I forget how high) and so the Prussian court was extremely favorable to the Masons.
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    « Reply #10 on: September 08, 2006, 08:31:24 PM »
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    This must be Weishaupt's illuminati you are talking about. But even still, how does that fit into the initiation by slow stages into the masonic lodges? Something is missing and/or out of kilter here, but I can't put my finger on it right now.


    I wish I had a copy of Robison's book, Proofs of a conspiracy to Destroy all Governments and Religions. It detailed the Bavarian Illuminati's plans, how they would infiltrate into "Blue Masonry" lodges and the such, I believe.
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    « Reply #11 on: September 08, 2006, 08:51:17 PM »
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    I don't think I could read it if you did have it. My mind is balking at reading anymore of this subject.


    Yeah, it is a bit overwhelming, and at times, confusing too.
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    « Reply #12 on: September 08, 2006, 09:05:20 PM »
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    I'm not feeling well tonight, either, and that makes a big difference for me. Would appreciate any prayers.


    Sure. I'll keep you in my prayers.
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