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Obama moves toward US Gun Control
« on: November 15, 2012, 08:05:52 PM »
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  • Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" -- Benjamin Franklin
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    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States.
     
    The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws.
     
    What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress.  We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the American public.  We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government health care has been forced on us by the Obama administration, so will gun control. Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed. ... We are being led like a lamb to the slaughter house.
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    Offline Capt McQuigg

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    Obama moves toward US Gun Control
    « Reply #1 on: November 15, 2012, 09:16:14 PM »
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  • It could happen.  Look at the way the health care bill was passed - with no real public debates.

    I've often advised people to buy two or three of the same gun, say, the S&W 442 .38 cal. snubnose, put one away in hiding.  Have the other one or two for turning over to the state when they demand it.  

    Gun control could be forced on the U.S. through an international treaty but it would still be a logistic and tactical nightmare trying to put some teeth into that treaty.  


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    « Reply #2 on: November 15, 2012, 09:18:34 PM »
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  • At gun shows it's possible to buy guns with no paper trail.

    That's what I recommend.

    Offline Sigismund

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    « Reply #3 on: November 15, 2012, 09:48:15 PM »
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  • I have bought guns, but never at a gun show.  Don't they have to do background checks or something?
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    « Reply #4 on: November 15, 2012, 09:53:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    I have bought guns, but never at a gun show.  Don't they have to do background checks or something?


    Only if you buy from an FFL.

    You can buy a gun in-state from someone from the same state without such background check requirements.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 16, 2012, 05:40:10 PM »
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  • Interesting, and perhaps useful information.  Thanks.
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    Offline Vandaler

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    « Reply #6 on: November 20, 2012, 11:05:08 AM »
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  • Gullibility run amok again.  An incorrigible bunch you are.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #7 on: November 20, 2012, 12:02:56 PM »
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  • Snopes is liberal and isn't trustworthy.

    Please take your liberalism elsewhere, Vandaler.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 20, 2012, 12:43:24 PM »
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  • If you picked yourself up SS, and actually tried to find fault into the snopes article rather then rely on your habitual attitude of hiding into your carapace against each piece of information that look contrarian to your views, you might have a little bit of respect out of me.

    Your an intellectual mouse.

    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #9 on: November 20, 2012, 01:11:47 PM »
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  • And you're a liberal.

    I don't care to gain respect from someone who calls me "gullible" for believing that Obama, who is a disciple of satan, plans to take our guns away. If anyone is gullible, it's you for believing the lies that the liberal media feeds you.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

    Offline Vandaler

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    « Reply #10 on: November 20, 2012, 02:12:48 PM »
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  • It's got nothing to do with being liberal or conservative... it's about recognizing bunk when you see it. I'm pretty discouraged that no one had the gumption to state that this article, which reads like something that just happened was in fact written three years ago.

    Wake up for goodness sake, it's embarrasing!

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/15/us-arms-usa-treaty-idUSTRE59E0Q920091015


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #11 on: November 20, 2012, 02:18:24 PM »
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  • Yes Vandaler, please wake up. I'll be praying that you do.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #12 on: November 20, 2012, 02:23:20 PM »
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  • You'll find no one defending you on the substance SS.  I assure you of that.
    That should be reason enough for you to pose and think.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 20, 2012, 04:10:44 PM »
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  • Gutless thumb downs perhaps, but no one with substance.  It's a pretty sad portrait.

    Again, posed by Matthew who apparently has no time to vet the crap he picks up god knows where, and posts it to a group that clearly has no discernment to sort it out.

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    « Reply #14 on: November 20, 2012, 04:19:37 PM »
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  • We're always going to have deceitful liberals denying the truth about their agenda until suddenly they change their position and feel strong enough to advance their agenda directly.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/victorious-obama-rockets-back-onto-gun-control-radar-with-un-arms-treaty

    The important thing to remember is that these people are never going to admit what their agenda is.  What you can be sure of is their absolutely contempt for us. Their desire to deceive us and the imperative they feel to ridicule those who are onto them.