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Noahs Ark, global, regional, metaphor or myth?
« on: September 15, 2016, 12:14:02 PM »
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  • Right then, let us discuss the deluge of Noah's time. I saw the movie, and while certain parts were as described in Genesis there were a few additions that were pure Hollywood.

    Given the theology that arose from Noah's Ark - 'no salvation outside the Ark' - the Arc has come to represent the Church of Christ the Catholic Church. Its structure had one door on its side, representative of the wound of Christ that shed his blood for us. Just like the Catholic Church then, all outside of it perished, only eight people survived, four couples to reinstate mankind on earth.

    This flood, according to Genesis, covered the whole earth, higher than the highest mountain. (how flat-earthers account for this without the waters going over the edges I leave them to answer). Read the account in Genesis and it is perfectly clear about covering the whole earth.

    But then came 'science' and churchmen's concessions to human theories and biased interpretation of the evidence, sedimentary rock worldwide, huge deposits of strata worldwide and perfectly formed fossils of all kinds of creatures.

    Then, as with heliocentrism, uniformitarianism (long-ages), evolution, and Big Bangism, and especially having had to do a U-turn on the Bible defending geocentric papal decree, churchmen were terrified to defend the literal revelation of Noah's flood. As with everything else above compromises were invented, for the dogma that there cannot be any contradiction between the biblical account and science. 'Truth cannot contradict truth' as Pope John Paul II said in 1992 when conceding to the Church's defeat as regards the Galileo case.

    So, in the 'SEARCH' button above this posting, put in Noah's Flood and see what you get. Now it is 'Catholic' websites we are talking about. Here is the very first site that came up.  http://www.catholic.com/blog/trent-horn/a-catholic-perspective-on-a-new-attraction (Catholic Answers)

    What is the flood narrative’s genre?

    The Catholic Church does not prohibit interpretations of Genesis 6-8 that include a worldwide flood, but neither does the Church require there to be a worldwide flood in all interpretations of these passages. Instead, Catholic theologians understand the first eleven chapters of Genesis contain, in the words of Pope Pius XII, “simple and metaphorical language adapted to the mentality of a people but little cultured, both state the principal truths which are fundamental for our salvation, and also give a popular description of the origin of the human race and the chosen people” (Humani Generis, 38).

    Modern readers may interpret passages in Genesis that describe water covering “the earth” as meaning that the entire planet [not the Genesis earth, now its a PLANET]was inundated. But a resident of ancient Mesopotamia may have understood the “the earth” to mean only “the land” or the region he knew. In fact, the Hebrew word for “earth” used in this passage, eretz, can also mean “land,” as in Genesis 41:57, where it says that “all the eretz came to Egypt to buy grain” when a famine struck the region. This doesn’t mean that everyone on the planet went to Egypt to buy grain, just those people who inhabited the region to which the author was referring.

    The author of Genesis may have also used popular storytelling devices found in other flood narratives in order to show how the God of the Israelites was superior to pagan deities. For example, in the Epic of Gilgamesh the gods are afraid of the flood and flee to higher ground, but in the Genesis story God is in complete control of the disaster and is unaffected by it.'
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    So, Catholicism has no problem with those 'mentality of a people but little cultured' actually believing the whole earth was covered with water. The same with 'a day of Genesis.' Noah's Deluge is now demoted to a 'local famine' in which all people did not die. Why didn't God send Noah and his family on holiday to 'dry land' instead of making him build a huge Ark that took 100 years to build. And then there are all those animals. Yes, just like a fairy tale for children, Noah's Ark had to have its own zoo. Surely all those animals outside the flooded region would have sufficed, so why did God stuff an Ark with Noah's lot. gee, this is better than Russell Crowe's movie.

    We see then the theology of Noah's Flood is meaningless in the face of the above. If not worldwide then other humans could have survived, just as Vatican II said, you don't have to be on the Ark to get to heaven. So much for 'No salvation outside the Ark/Catholic Church.


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    Noahs Ark, global, regional, metaphor or myth?
    « Reply #1 on: September 15, 2016, 12:26:08 PM »
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  • I can't tell what part of this is your own writing and what part is from another source.

    Perhaps you can quote and link your source material.

    So, what is your point? Are you lamenting the fact that the official Vatican structure condones not only heliocentrism, but condones evolution and a non-worldwide Flood as well?


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    Noahs Ark, global, regional, metaphor or myth?
    « Reply #2 on: September 15, 2016, 12:37:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: mw2016
    I can't tell what part of this is your own writing and what part is from another source.

    Perhaps you can quote and link your source material.

    So, what is your point? Are you lamenting the fact that the official Vatican structure condones not only heliocentrism, but condones evolution and a non-worldwide Flood as well?


    Sorry mw2016, I forgot I was among those 'mentality of a people but little cultured.'

    It is all my own opinion until you get to the website I was referring to above, see it now?. From it I quote beginning with

    What is the flood narrative’s genre? as you would have found if you read the recommended site.

    Now a quote begins with a ' for me and ends with another '  Then, so as to separate the quote from my opinion I put a line under it that went like this ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The POINT is that I put up Noah's flood for discussion. I have made a few POINTS of my own as regards the theology of Noah's Ark. Others may have their own opinions.

    Why even you can tell us Noah's flood as over a flat-earth if you wish.

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    Noahs Ark, global, regional, metaphor or myth?
    « Reply #3 on: September 15, 2016, 12:48:19 PM »
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    The POINT is that I put up Noah's flood for discussion. I have made a few POINTS of my own as regards the theology of Noah's Ark. Others may have their own opinions.

    Why even you can tell us Noah's flood as over a flat-earth if you wish.


    Are you suggesting that it needs to be discussed because you believe that there are Trads who follow the Vatican and believe the Flood was not worldwide?

    This would be a bit surprising to me. I have not experienced a Trad who thinks the Flood was small, or local.

    Yes, the Flood covered all the land to the oceans. The oceans are enclosed by the Antarctic 360 degrees. Perhaps the water also covered the Antarctic plane all the way to the Firmament itself, which we know is a solid barrier from its description in the Bible.

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    Noahs Ark, global, regional, metaphor or myth?
    « Reply #4 on: September 15, 2016, 01:01:02 PM »
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    Are you suggesting that it needs to be discussed because you believe that there are Trads who follow the Vatican and believe the Flood was not worldwide?

    Yes, there are "trads" who don't believe in the worldwide flood. I was even told that there are "trad" bishops who do not believe in a worldwide flood. I will not name which ones because I only heard this from others and did not see the proof myself so I do not want to hurt their reputations when I am not positive about it.
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    « Reply #5 on: September 15, 2016, 01:36:18 PM »
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    Yes, there are "trads" who don't believe in the worldwide flood. I was even told that there are "trad" bishops who do not believe in a worldwide flood.


    Wow.

     :shocked: