Author Topic: Noah's Flood Was Not Worldwide (Catholic Encyclopedia) (Read 4570 times)

Matto · « **on:** May 25, 2021, 11:57:48 AM »

Quote from: Andrew Kim on May 24, 2021, 11:25:16 PM

For example, the Catholic Encyclopedia Vol.4(1913) which had an imprimatur by +Cardinal John Murphy Farley(Archbishop of New York) during the reign of Pope St. Pius X, describes that the Deluge of Noah was a local flood.
It was even during the reign of St. Pius X.

From the Bishop Williamson thread. This is dynamite. I never saw it brought up when people were speaking about the merits of the Catholic Encyclopedia, but wow. Take a read:
The geographical universality of the Deluge may be safely abandoned

I guess there were a bunch of Fr. Paul Robinsons running around even over a hundred years ago.

Yeti · « **Reply #1 on:** May 25, 2021, 12:31:10 PM »

Most of the scriptural articles in the Catholic Encyclopedia were written by modernists.
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Just like what happened to Butler's Lives of the Saints. Two modernists got a hold of it and took out most of the miracles. This was in the fifties, if I recall.

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #2 on:** May 25, 2021, 12:35:18 PM »

Quote from: Matto on May 25, 2021, 11:57:48 AM

I guess there were a bunch of Fr. Paul Robinsons running around even over a hundred years ago.

St. Pius X didn't write Pascendi for no good reason, after all

cassini · « **Reply #3 on:** May 25, 2021, 12:36:13 PM »

It is written that the Greek philosophers Solon, Pythagoras and Plato had visited Egypt to learn first-hand the ‘wisdom’ of the Egyptians. A study of the numerous writings of Plato’s that survived show that their course outline was to produce a small core of selected philosophers, expert in harmonics, astronomy, mathematics, dialectics, natural science and political theory who would not seek power themselves but ‘advise’ those who ruled. This philosophy later influenced Gnostic and Cabalist teachers who were accused by Catholic apologists of being disciples of Plato and of following the platonic system in making ‘arithmetical science the fundamental principle of their doctrine.’
Rome’s long disapproval of Platonic philosophy resulted in the closing down in 529 AD of the Academy Plato founded in Athens in 380 BC. The Egyptians, we know; had a slightly different version of history to that of the global deluge brought about by God’s punishment of mankind as revealed in Genesis 6-9. They taught that local deluges had at times flooded and destroyed peoples and places off the face of the Earth. Ironically, today, in Catholic encyclopedias and in their Biblical notes the global deluge of Noah has been demoted to one of these pagan local floods, just as Biblical geocentrism has been rejected in favour of the pagan version of the universe, i.e., heliocentrism. The gods however supposedly saved Egypt and her ancient buildings, temples and sanctuaries from all such deluges. Here we see good reason why the Egyptians falsified the ages of their buildings as recorded by Blessed Katarina Emmerick earlier. Contained in these ancient temples and sanctuaries, they claimed, was preserved knowledge of the origin of the world when man had fraternised with their pagan gods. (The Earthmovers)

Classical writers, we find, were besotted with this:

‘[They] extolled the immensely old wisdom of the Egyptian priests, and especially their revered knowledge of the heavens and the motion of the stars. Many deemed Egypt a sacred land, a land in which the gods had once dwelt and taught men the divine and sacred science and where secrets of immortality had been revealed to those who were worthy.’ (Hancock & Bauval: Talisman, p.154)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #4 on:** May 25, 2021, 12:40:36 PM »

Quote from: Matto on May 25, 2021, 11:57:48 AM

From the Bishop Williamson thread. This is dynamite. I never saw it brought up when people were speaking about the merits of the Catholic Encyclopedia, but wow. Take a read:
The geographical universality of the Deluge may be safely abandoned

I guess there were a bunch of Fr. Paul Robinsons running around even over a hundred years ago.

There's a story told by Bishop Williamson at STAS where St. Pius X had been presented with a copy of the Catholic Encyclopedia. Asked what he thought of it, he slammed it to the ground and denounced as Modernist trash.

In fact, there are some pretty strong signs of Modernism in the Catholic Encyclopedia ... on a number of issues.

cassini · « **Reply #5 on:** May 25, 2021, 12:46:17 PM »

(1) An investigation into Chinese palaeography called God’s Promise to the Chinese. In a summary of this book, the reviewer states:

‘The three joint-authors have clearly demonstrated, to this reviewer’s satisfaction at least, that the inventor of the original Chinese characters, which were inscribed on tortoise shells and bones, knew and believed in an identical account of creation and Earth’s beginnings to that found in Moses’ Book of Genesis….The Chinese have always revered their writing system. Calligraphy ranks supreme in their artistic scale of values… Just 142 of the earliest hieroglyphic pictograms contain, in a highly condensed (and therefore mentally portable and ineradicable form) key components of the Book of Genesis. Since the truth or otherwise of the Flood has profound implications for the study of geology, in the Book of Docuмents (Sha Ching), written 3,000 years ago, we read: “The flood waters were everywhere, destroying everything as they rose above the hills and swelled up to Heaven.” ’ (E. Nelson, R. Broadberry and G. Chock: God’s Promise to the Chinese, Read Books, HCR 65 Box 580, Dunlap, TN 37327, USA, 1997)

Now watch this:

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #6 on:** May 25, 2021, 01:56:00 PM »

Quote from: cassini on May 25, 2021, 12:46:17 PM

(1) An investigation into Chinese palaeography called God’s Promise to the Chinese. In a summary of this book, the reviewer states:

‘The three joint-authors have clearly demonstrated, to this reviewer’s satisfaction at least, that the inventor of the original Chinese characters, which were inscribed on tortoise shells and bones, knew and believed in an identical account of creation and Earth’s beginnings to that found in Moses’ Book of Genesis….The Chinese have always revered their writing system. Calligraphy ranks supreme in their artistic scale of values… Just 142 of the earliest hieroglyphic pictograms contain, in a highly condensed (and therefore mentally portable and ineradicable form) key components of the Book of Genesis. Since the truth or otherwise of the Flood has profound implications for the study of geology, in the Book of Docuмents (Sha Ching), written 3,000 years ago, we read: “The flood waters were everywhere, destroying everything as they rose above the hills and swelled up to Heaven.” ’ (E. Nelson, R. Broadberry and G. Chock: God’s Promise to the Chinese, Read Books, HCR 65 Box 580, Dunlap, TN 37327, USA, 1997)

Now watch this:

I've seen that video before and found it incredibly fascinating. What is even more fascinating are the keyboard "experts" in the comments who try to denounce what that Evangelical pastor teaches. The truth of Genesis is written on the face of the earth itself and among the memories of the gentile nations. Proponents of so-called "science" have had to work overtime the past 200 years trying to obscure this.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #7 on:** May 25, 2021, 02:13:18 PM »

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I guess there were a bunch of Fr. Paul Robinsons running around even over a hundred years ago.

No offense...but you GUESS? The Church was FILLED with Modernists in the late 1800s (Bl Pius IX was imprisoned in the vatican) and in the early 1900s (during St Pius X's reign, he was surrounded by them). St Pius X is the one that exposed all the Modernists in the Church and made them go into hiding until V2.
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Yes, there were just as many modernists 100 yrs ago as now. Collectively, we've all forgotten history.

2Vermont · « **Reply #8 on:** May 25, 2021, 03:00:31 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on May 25, 2021, 12:40:36 PM

There's a story told by Bishop Williamson at STAS where St. Pius X had been presented with a copy of the Catholic Encyclopedia. Asked what he thought of it, he slammed it to the ground and denounced as Modernist trash.

In fact, there are some pretty strong signs of Modernism in the Catholic Encyclopedia ... on a number of issues.

This is problematic given it is often quoted here by various posters. Sometimes the quote is accepted; other times it is not.

cassini · « **Reply #9 on:** May 25, 2021, 03:24:48 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on May 25, 2021, 12:40:36 PM

There's a story told by Bishop Williamson at STAS where St. Pius X had been presented with a copy of the Catholic Encyclopedia. Asked what he thought of it, he slammed it to the ground and denounced as Modernist trash.

In fact, there are some pretty strong signs of Modernism in the Catholic Encyclopedia ... on a number of issues.

I find it hard to believe Pius X did that. The Catholic Encyclopedia of St Pius X's time had both , much traditional teaching but when it came to faith and science, Modernism dominated. And that was the problem with Pius X, he never pointed out there is false science and true science.

Thed0ctor · « **Reply #10 on:** May 25, 2021, 03:34:59 PM »

Did the Church have an official position on whether the flood was localized vs global? I'm not finding much online. Kolbecenter says it was global and held by all the fathers but doesn't seem to cite any sources.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #11 on:** May 25, 2021, 03:59:11 PM »

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And that was the problem with Pius X, he never pointed out there is false science and true science.

I think you need to read more history. St Pius X was way too busy saving the Church from doctrinal, liturgical and theological destruction to worry about science. Let's remember that the pope before, Leo XIII, is the one with the vision of satan wanting to destroy the Church and so Leo composed the St Michael prayer. Pope Leo wrote many encyclicals about the rosary and against Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.
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Had St Pius X not been elected in 1903, there would've been Vatican 2 back then. It was that bad. As many freemasons admit, Pope St Pius X turned back their satanic plans by 50 years. It. was. that. bad.
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I don't think any of these pope had the time to worry about science. Truthfully, neither do we.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #12 on:** May 25, 2021, 04:16:21 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on May 25, 2021, 03:00:31 PM

This is problematic given it is often quoted here by various posters. Sometimes the quote is accepted; other times it is not.

That's why I only go so far as to attribute it to Bishop Williamson.

Nevertheless, the point of it is quite accurate. We had the Church absolutely teeming with Masonry and then Modernism at least since the time of Pope Pius IX, and even certainly going back to the French Revolution and "enlightenment". Modernism is in fact the injection of Masonry into the Church.

But most people don't know ... and the Kolbe Institute points this out very nicely ... that one of the pillars of Modernism is the notion of naturalistic creation and evolution.

StLouisIX · « **Reply #13 on:** May 25, 2021, 04:51:13 PM »

This is an excellent sermon from an FSSP priest wherein he discusses how the legends of a global flood from various pagan peoples from around the world (namely Norse, Irish, and a certain Chinese ethnic group) all match up in a surprising degree with the true account from Genesis, and how all these groups trace their lineage to a man named Japeth (or some corruption of this name), one of the sons of Noah!

Andrew Kim · « **Reply #14 on:** May 25, 2021, 08:38:39 PM »

Quote from: Thed0ctor on May 25, 2021, 03:34:59 PM

Did the Church have an official position on whether the flood was localized vs global? I'm not finding much online. Kolbecenter says it was global and held by all the fathers but doesn't seem to cite any sources.

Perhaps, you can refer to those attached.
Dom Antoine Augustin Calmet (1672-1757)
Fr George Leo Haydock (1774–1849)

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