Author Topic: No-go areas..... (Read 18748 times)

Cuthbert · « **Reply #110 on:** May 08, 2012, 03:09:45 PM »

Clare, you write of language being apparently more important than race & give the example of Irishmen & Germans speaking mutually unintelligible languages, despite their racial similarity &c. This was not always the case. In ancient times, immediately after the confusion of tongues at the Tower of Babel, the Indo-European peoples all spoke the same language, called Proto-Indo-European by philologers. It was only over the course of centuries that dialects of this original language diverged into the main indo-european language families that we know today, Romanic, Germanic, Balto-Slavonic & Hellenic. One can still see many similarities even today. Compare the words sister, Schwester (German) & sestra (Russian), or the Latin domus (house) & the Russian dom. There are many more such examples. The Germanic languages for instance, over time changed the initial p in many proto-indo-european words to an f, thus we have Vater (German), vader (Dutch) & father, whereas in Latin it is Pater, from which derive padre, pere & so forth. It could be argued that God separated the people at Babel in such a way that those who were genetically similar were given the same language, & that in this manner the various races developed. The indo-european languages for example are classified as flexional or fusional depending on which book one is reading, whereas the languages of most asiatic peoples, Turks, Koreans, Japanese, Filipinos, Malays &c. are agglutinative in structure, no indo-european languages are agglutinative. Hungarian & Finnish which are spoken in Europe are, but that is because these are not Indo-European languages. The ancestors of the Hungarians came originally from the steppes of Central Asia, which explains why the grammatical structure of Hungarian is more similar to Turkish than to Polish or German. Anyhow I suppose most find this sort of thing to be quite boring, but I've always found it interesting. Anyone who is interested can find it better explained than I'm able to do in most books on philology, the history of languages &c.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #111 on:** May 08, 2012, 03:14:55 PM »

Quote from: alaric

Funny, the last time I heard about us all "trying to get along" they were rioting in LA, pulling white people out of their trucks, beating them half to death, burning and looting Korean shops and committing all kinds of savagery because of "black rage".

I believe that was 'good old' Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along."

Marcelino · « **Reply #112 on:** May 09, 2012, 01:45:26 PM »

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Why should we have Chinese races? Or Arabs? Or Hindus or Bantus for that matter? After all, we're all one. That was God's original plan it seems. No racial separation, no division of ethnicities, no linguistic distinctions, no cultural barriers, no land divisions , nothing.

Yet, most of us have a mixture of nationalities in our ancestries, don't we?

Is it a problem? NO!

Actually, I think it is a big problem and one that is literally tearing America apart. People break down along racial lines, before they get a chance to know each other, which means, they don't even know what religion others are, they're just focused on the way people look to them. In the real world, the way you look seems to matter a lot.

What's that got to do with "the content of your character?" Nothing! You're judged on how you look.

Hiding behind The Universality of The Catholic Church won't help, because chapels, monasteries, seminaries and convents can be segregated along racial lines.

Marcelino · « **Reply #113 on:** May 09, 2012, 01:46:22 PM »

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Most of our "mixed" ancestries in the West were mostly of similar European stock. There's a vast difference of a whole group of people with an ad mixture of Irish and Italians or Polish and German, than say someone who's half Scandinavian and half Bantu. Or the govt use of social engineering by transplanting people from totally different races and ethnicities and thrusting them upon a un-wanting populace.

You're either missing the mark or very good (in your mind) at creating strawmans Clare.

Either God intended people to be divided by language barriers (as per the Tower of Babel) or He did not, at least not in the long-term.

Now, if people are going to keep bringing up Babel to argue for separatism, they should argue against different nationalities mixing. They don't do that though (and the number of so-called "Nationalists" I am aware of who are married to foreigners is astounding!). So, really, Babel is neither here nor there.

You're overgeneralizing. It isn't all or nothing; it is a matter of degrees.

Marcelino · « **Reply #114 on:** May 09, 2012, 01:49:26 PM »

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It seems that some are forgetting what happened at the Tower of Babel was a punishment not an ideal.

I would be interested in seeing New Testament references about this. As far as I know the New Testament was about unity and God coming to save all men. The strict divisions from the Old Testament were done away with, even in Christ's own behavior, and this was a large part of what angered the Jews.

You're over-generalizing. The famous verse by Paul, is a new testament reference to something specific. "Neither jew nor greek, but all one in Christ," goes on to say, "neither male nor female," nor "slave nor master..." Yet, all those things are still supported in the new testament, by various authors. The admonitions for slaves is to obey their masters and for masters to care for their servants. The admonition is for wives to obey their husbands and for husbands to be kind to their wives. Obviously, this "universality" you're speaking of, does not extend to everything! So, you must be over-generalizing.

In the end, there seems to be an order or rank to things. It does not appear that Christ came to abolish the entire order of things. Although, he did make some very big changes.

Paul, by the way, was very specific about his religion, his ancestry and his citizenship. He seems to treat them as if they are three very different and separate things.