Author Topic: No-go areas..... (Read 18747 times)

clare · « **Reply #45 on:** April 10, 2012, 09:58:33 AM »

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The Church didn't seem to have a problem with the white-black anti-miscegenation laws that were in effect in the US until recently.

The Church says that it's not immoral for different races to marry, but seems to not have a problem with communities making laws against race-mixing.

Why else would the Church never object to those anti-miscegenation laws?

That's about all there is in support of anti-miscegenation laws. That the Church didn't oppose them.

But neither did She impose them.

Furthermore, She has blessed interracial marriages.

So, there is nothing in principle wrong with them. But, various places can make their own marriage laws.

Like how different States can ban drinking before 21, without the Church complaining. It doesn't mean that drinking under the age of 21 is wrong.

States can forbid teenage marriages too, and the Church would respect that right.

But, that is not tantamount to saying the Church forbids drinking or marrying under 21. And nor is the Church's non-objection to anti-miscegenation laws proof that the Church opposes miscegenation.

Because She Herself allows those things. If other places want to be stricter, then let them. They don't have to be.

clare · « **Reply #46 on:** April 10, 2012, 10:00:18 AM »

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It's obvious the Church doesn't have a problem with people of different races marrying. What's not so obvious to me is if the Church condemns communities making laws against it.

Yes, I can dig that.

But I really do think that a truly Catholic community would not ban it.

Busillis · « **Reply #47 on:** April 10, 2012, 10:22:41 AM »

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It's obvious the Church doesn't have a problem with people of different races marrying. What's not so obvious to me is if the Church condemns communities making laws against it.

Yes, I can dig that.

But I really do think that a truly Catholic community would not ban it.

But if marxists are encouraging race mixing it can't be for good reasons, so I generally side with whites who encourage whites to marry whites. If this was a Catholic culture maybe I would have a different opinion. But I balk at giving into the multicult propaganda. The fact is this country was 90% white 45 years ago, and it wasn't white America that invited nonwhites into the country in such large numbers. And the nobwhites coming in have no desire to become WASPS or even be like white Catholics. Why would they? They have their own mini nations within the nation. I don't see Catholic Americans of different races coming together and creating a new hybrid Catholic culture anytime soon, since most Catholics buy into the marxist script.

Since whites feel under siege, I think justifiably, it's only natural that they would have a desire to close ranks. All the other races are pursuing their own agendas, so why shouldn't whites.

clare · « **Reply #48 on:** April 10, 2012, 10:36:05 AM »

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But if marxists are encouraging race mixing it can't be for good reasons,...

Maybe Marxists are encouraging it for bad reasons. But that doesn't make the practice wrong per se. There are bad reasons for encouraging it, but there can also be good reasons for encouraging it. The Church has encouraged it for good reasons in places.

Anyhow, I'm not on about encouraging it. Just allowing it, and not obsessing that we are doomed if the "wrong" kind of people are produced. Children are a blessing, created in God's image. And that is the bottom line.

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But I balk at giving into the multicult propaganda.

I'm not a supporter of multi-culturalism. I don't see race and culture as coterminous. People of different races are capable of embracing Christian culture.

I would be wary of marriages between people of different cultures. And if those people happen to be of different races, it is their culture or religion which is the bone of contention. Not their race.

alaric · « **Reply #49 on:** April 10, 2012, 11:07:25 AM »

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It's amazing that Catholics who have no objection with race mixing....

The Church Herself has no objection to it.

What God has joined together...
Please show Church teaching, doctrine or dogma against racial separation or forced integration or ethnic/racial groups freedom of association within their own subsect.

I'll be waiting.

Er, no. [i]You[/i] have to show that the Church supports, nay demands, racial separatism, and opposes miscegenation.

She does not. If She did, you would be able to find some magisterial teaching condemning racial mixing and demanding separation.

No such teaching exists.

However, the Church's practice (and not just post VII) demonstrates that She does not forbid races mixing, socially or matrimonially.

What God has joined together... as I said above.

I never said it did.

My point was, the Church has no official doctrine or teaching either way only that we respect the dignity of the human person.

What races, ethnics, cultures and countries do after that is inconsequential as far as the Church is concerned.

But races and cultures and nations do have a right to exist and if massive miscegenation and racial-mixing occur through communist-style social engineering is causing the extinction of a distinct race or ethnic, then they have a moral right to take the steps to ensure their survival.

You say what "God has joined together" which is true, but God created the different races while man attempts the genocide of these very same races through political correctness and corruption of mass immigration laws as well as forced integration.

We're talking about ethnic cleansing on a mass scale here through miscegenation and abuse of legislative powers, not the case of two people of different races marrying.