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Offline LaramieHirsch

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« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2012, 05:13:59 PM »
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    Meanwhile John Derbyshire is likely to be fired for writing this:

    http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/#axzz1rI2sQ2I7


    I'm not able to pull it up using the link.  Can you, by chance, paste the text?


    It works for me, but didn't at first.  You might want to try again.  Probably their servers are under strain.


    Uh, having trouble still.  But managed to pull it up after a while.  Here it is for others having trouble:


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    http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/#axzz1rI2sQ2I7

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    The Talk: Nonblack Version


    There is much talk about “the talk.”

    “Sean O’Reilly was 16 when his mother gave him the talk that most black parents give their teenage sons,” Denisa R. Superville of the Hackensack (NJ) Record tells us. Meanwhile, down in Atlanta: “Her sons were 12 and 8 when Marlyn Tillman realized it was time for her to have the talk,” Gracie Bonds Staples writes in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

    Leonard Greene talks about the talk in the New York Post. Someone bylined as KJ Dell’Antonia talks about the talk in The New York Times. Darryl Owens talks about the talk in the Orlando Sentinel.

    Yes, talk about the talk is all over.

    There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.

    * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    (1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cuмbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.

    “There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too.”
    (2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)

    (3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.

    (4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circuмstances, however—e.g., paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.

    (5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal winner.

    (6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.

    (7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.


    (8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

    (9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

    (10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

    (10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

    (10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

    (10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

    (10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

    (10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

    (10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

    (10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

    (10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

    (10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

    (11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

    (12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore—for example, at a government office—you will, on average, be dealt with more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be dealt with more politely, too. “The DMV lady“ is a statistical truth, not a myth.

    (13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

    (14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

    (15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

    * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point; but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save their lives.

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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle


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    « Reply #31 on: April 07, 2012, 07:32:09 PM »
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  • National Review just announced they got rid of him.

    Well, hopefully someone will avoid getting mugged raped or killed because of his column and the publicity it generated.


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    « Reply #32 on: April 07, 2012, 08:26:58 PM »
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    National Review just announced they got rid of him.

    Well, hopefully someone will avoid getting mugged raped or killed because of his column and the publicity it generated.


    I rarely read National Review, less and less with the passage of time and knowing that there are far better conservative websites to visit.

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    « Reply #33 on: April 08, 2012, 03:26:59 AM »
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    Yer gorra laff! I get a couple of "dislikes" for stating an incontestable fact.



    Perhaps it is a personal 'dislike' of you.


    Happy Easter!


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    « Reply #34 on: April 08, 2012, 06:34:21 AM »
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    Yer gorra laff! I get a couple of "dislikes" for stating an incontestable fact.



    Perhaps it is a personal 'dislike' of you.


    Happy Easter!



    Happy Easter!


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    « Reply #35 on: April 08, 2012, 06:40:16 AM »
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  • A new project in Sweden run by our type of militants. They are on "our page" on regarding the issues. People are turning away from these 'Christian Democrats'. A serious Nationalism is rising across Europe and it's frightening the lives of the traitors and the enemy. Jonas is a Traditionalist Catholic so hardly can be criticised. He is a sincere patriot. He is one of our own.

    http://www.radioframat.se/blogg/
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    Förstör gärna mitt land (bara jag får en klapp på axeln)

    Posted on 2012/04/07 by Jonas De Geer    — 1 Comment ↓
    ”Alla människor är födda fria och har lika värde och rättigheter” Så inleds FNs deklaration om de mänskliga rättigheterna. Sverige har ratificerat FN-konventionen och därmed gjort sig förpliktigad att följa den.

    Så inleds en artikel på SvD Brännpunkt idag, undertecknad av representanter för s,c,fp,kd,mp och v i Sörmland. Slutsatsen de drar är att deras landsting ”inte längre kan vänta på regeringen”, utan i humanitetens (och FN:s) namn måste ge illegala invandrare samma rätt till vård som svenskar och invandrare med uppehållstillstånd.

    Jag är rätt luttrad, men måste medge att jag blir förbluffad. Ska Sverige i teorin erbjuda sjukvård åt hela världens befolkning? Det är nämligen vad det handlar om. I praktiken kommer inte alla världens människor att ta sig till Sverige, men många, många fler än vad som redan är fallet.

    Har dessa svagsinta politiker gjort någon beräkning på hur många deras landsting kan ta emot? Jag menar, när den svenska vårdapparaten blivit så överbelastad och nerkörd att det är mer humant att säga till invandrarna (för ”flyktingar” är knappt en bråkdel) - ”nej, gott folk, hit är inte lönt att komma, allt är så kasst här idag att ni faktiskt får bättre vård hemma i Sudan”.

    Helt säkert tänker de inte så långt. Det är knappast heller humanitet eller barmhärtighet som driver dessa människor. Sann  solidaritet börjar alltid hemmavid, alltid med de närmsta. Dessa as som pratar om ”människovärde” är helt likgiltiga för sin nästa. De arbetar bara inom ett system där de belönas för att administrera sitt eget folks undergång.

    Vi lever i ett kollektivt suicidalt dårhus.


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    Destroy visit my country (I just get a pat on the back)

    Posted on 04/07/2012 by Jonas De Geer - 1 Comment ↓
    "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights" is the opening of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Sweden has ratified the UN Convention and is thereby obliged to follow it.

    So begins an article in Svenska Dagbladet Focal point today, signed by representatives of the s, c, fp, Christian Democrats, Greens, and we Sörmland. The conclusion they draw is that their council "can no longer wait for the government," but of humanity (and UN) names have to give illegal immigrants the same rights to health care that the Swedes and immigrants with residence permits.

    I'm pretty hardened, but must admit I am amazed. If Sweden is, in theory, provide medical services to the entire world population? It is what it is about. In practice, not all people get to Sweden, but many, many more than it already is.

    Do these weak-minded politicians have made ​​any estimate of how many of their counties  can receive? I mean, when the Swedish health care system has become so congested and way down that it is more humane to say to immigrants (for "refugees" is barely a fraction) - "No, folks, here is not worth while to come, everything is so lousy here now that you actually get better care at home in Sudan. "

    Surely, they think not that far. It is hardly humanity or compassion that drives these people. True solidarity always begins at home, always with the next. Such as when people talk about "human dignity" is completely indifferent to his neighbor. They work only within a system, they are rewarded for managing their own peoples destruction.

    We live in a collective suicidal lunatic asylum

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    « Reply #36 on: April 08, 2012, 11:13:13 AM »
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  • "The talk" as outlines by Mr. Derbyshire is an almost point for point recapitulation of the talk a friend of mine's father had with him around 14.

    He (they) are Orthodox Jєωs, and his father a judge(!) and my friend told me in detail of this conversation when he was in his early 20's about his dad having a sit down with him exclusively about this topic. He explained the IQ situation and everything.

    Anyway, just interesting how similar the points were.

    Also, the Jєωs, being an oppressed minority themselves, are immune to criticism for holding or espousing or acting on such beliefs.

    They are very big on protecting their children, and we should unashamedly emulate that cultural norm.

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    « Reply #37 on: April 10, 2012, 08:17:02 AM »
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  • Many Irish who are leaving are of the same mindset of those who would probably have spat into the face of Pearse and Connolly at the GPO in Dublin on Easter Monday in 1916. Those staying in Ireland today are of greater character. Emigrating is an easy way out.True patriots are staying and fighting these traitors in the irish parliament.We need a Second Republic in Ireland.


    http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/people_and_politics/anti-immigrant-surge-likely-as-irish-economy-deteriorates----resentment-of-foreign-doctors-and-workers-tip-of-the-iceberg-146639575.html
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    I predict Ireland is set for an anti-immigrant surge given the deteriorating economic situation in the country.

    I can’t count the number of times the issue of immigrants and taking Irish jobs has arisen in conversations during recent trips over there.

    Ironically it begins in the hospitals where there have been a number of recent high-profile cases involving foreign doctors being charged with negligence and in some cases even sɛҳuąƖ assault of patients.

    The influx of foreign doctors is, ironically, a clear sign of the Irish brain drain. Australia, Canada and other countries are snapping up Irish medical graduates who have cost the Irish taxpayers tens of millions to educate.

    In order to fill the gap foreign graduates often from pretty exotic countries have been brought in.

    While the vast majority is highly qualified it is also clear some are not given the number of incidents that have been reported.

    It is an utter paradox that those most recently qualified leave for better careers abroad. 76,000 people left Ireland in the year to April 2011, the equivalent of one million Canadians leaving their country. It is an incredible figure.

    “We are losing our young, our best and brightest,” said David Monahan (48), the  Dublin artist whose photographs of emigrants leaving have caught the sad moments.

    “It’s affecting our future economy, but also our sense of community,” he told the Toronto Star recently.

    In many communities where immigrants were previously welcomed there are now clear signs of strain.

    Some people assume that the “foreigners” are ripping off Ireland’s still generous social welfare system. With local Irish being crippled with taxes to pay off bankrupt banks, the anti immigrant sentiment seems a convenient scapegoat.

    Time will tell if the anti immigrant lobby will grow but my anecdotal belief is that it will. I would not be surprised to see some Le Pen type political party take hold in Ireland if the economy continues to deteriorate.




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    « Reply #38 on: April 10, 2012, 09:02:17 AM »
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    "The talk" as outlines by Mr. Derbyshire is an almost point for point recapitulation of the talk a friend of mine's father had with him around 14.

    He (they) are Orthodox Jєωs, and his father a judge(!) and my friend told me in detail of this conversation when he was in his early 20's about his dad having a sit down with him exclusively about this topic. He explained the IQ situation and everything.

    Anyway, just interesting how similar the points were.

    Also, the Jєωs, being an oppressed minority themselves, are immune to criticism for holding or espousing or acting on such beliefs.

    They are very big on protecting their children, and we should unashamedly emulate that cultural norm.


    I wish I had been given this talk when I was a teenager. I knew the general gist of "The Talk." Who doesn't? But I was never given moral permission to make those observations, or to express them to others.

    The taboo against being comfortable with these observations was reinforced by the celebrities I looked up to as a teenager. Pretty much any actor or musician I liked was a marxist on race issues. So I often felt guilty about having these thoughts. I'd see my favorite rock star condemning "racism" and I would think I must be defective in some way. It's not enough to think correctly. When you're a kid you need to be allowed to think correctly. You need some authority figure in your life to tell you it's okay to think these things. Otherwise you may second-guess yourself in the desire to conform.

    I think giving children moral permission to notice realities about race is one of the best things parents can do for their children.

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    « Reply #39 on: April 10, 2012, 09:24:46 AM »
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    It's amazing that Catholics who have no objection with race mixing....


    The Church Herself has no objection to it.

    What God has joined together...
    Please show Church teaching, doctrine or dogma against racial separation or forced integration or ethnic/racial groups freedom of association within their own  subsect.

    I'll be waiting.

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    « Reply #40 on: April 10, 2012, 09:26:15 AM »
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    National Review just announced they got rid of him.

    Well, hopefully someone will avoid getting mugged raped or killed because of his column and the publicity it generated.
    There goes that Freedom of Speech the left is always crying about.


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    « Reply #41 on: April 10, 2012, 09:44:55 AM »
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    It's amazing that Catholics who have no objection with race mixing....


    The Church Herself has no objection to it.

    What God has joined together...
    Please show Church teaching, doctrine or dogma against racial separation or forced integration or ethnic/racial groups freedom of association within their own  subsect.

    I'll be waiting.


    The Church didn't seem to have a problem with the white-black anti-miscegenation laws that were in effect in the US until recently.

    The Church says that it's not immoral for different races to marry, but seems to not have a problem with communities making laws against race-mixing.

    Why else would the Church never object to those anti-miscegenation laws?

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    « Reply #42 on: April 10, 2012, 09:49:28 AM »
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    It's amazing that Catholics who have no objection with race mixing....


    The Church Herself has no objection to it.

    What God has joined together...
    Please show Church teaching, doctrine or dogma against racial separation or forced integration or ethnic/racial groups freedom of association within their own  subsect.

    I'll be waiting.


    Er, no. You have to show that the Church supports, nay demands, racial separatism, and opposes miscegenation.

    She does not. If She did, you would be able to find some magisterial teaching condemning racial mixing and demanding separation.

    No such teaching exists.

    However, the Church's practice (and not just post VII) demonstrates that She does not forbid races mixing, socially or matrimonially.

    What God has joined together... as I said above.

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    « Reply #43 on: April 10, 2012, 09:56:42 AM »
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  • It's obvious the Church doesn't have a problem with people of different races marrying. What's not so obvious to me is if the Church condemns communities making laws against it.

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    « Reply #44 on: April 10, 2012, 09:58:04 AM »
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    White man and woman found burned to death in black section of Detroit.

    Not much being done or said by the Detroit PD or the MSM.

    No big deal, just two more white folk in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    What is it with blacks burning their white victims?

    Could we start calling this a white h0Ɩ0cαųst?

    http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/two-burned-bodies-discovered-on-detroit%27s-east-side-20

    DETROIT (WJBK) - DETROIT (WJBK) -- Two bodies were found at Proctor and Panama on Detroit's southwest side after 3:00 a.m. Monday. In an alley, a man who says he saw what led up to this and what came after, calling on us to tell the story. The smell of smoke making him wonder what was going on.

    "There was two black guys that got out of it, and they [were] here for about ten minutes. They left, went down, came back and then stopped again and got out the car. I don't know what they [were] doing," he told us.

    "I [didn't] even think [anything] of it. Two hours later, another car, that's when all the police and everybody came back."

    Investigators say the badly burned bodies are that of a white man and a white woman. We put the man that talked to us and didn't want to be identified in touch with the lead investigator in the case.

    We can tell you that investigators are trying to figure out exactly what happened to these two people. Were they bound? They found some kind of a cord laying on top of their burnt bodies.

    "With all the bodies being burned around, it's just kind of scary to know ... that kind of stuff is going on," said neighbor Michael Pompa
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    It may be some time before the bodies are identified. Neighbors are frightened knowing the killer or killers are still out there.

    "This is too close to home. I only live a few blocks from here and it's like scary to come out at night, even in the daytime really," one woman remarked.

    Detroit Police are only telling us that, at this point, it's going to be very hard to identify those bodies. The medical examiner's office is working on that right now.

    In the meantime, if you have any information about what happened to this John and Jane Doe, you're asked to do the right thing, pick up the phone and call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-SPEAK-UP.


    I've been offline for lent and can't access the original article since it's no longer available.  The web address reads the bodies were discovered on Detroit's east side, but the body of the printed article says the bodies were discovered in Detroit's southwest side.=  Do you remember which was correct?  I can probably figure what happened on either side of Detroit.  But wouldn't say unless I was sure which side of town the bodies were found.