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alaric · « **Reply #100 on:** May 06, 2012, 05:50:42 PM »

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Actually, you're right in a way.

Promiscuity, fornication, adultery, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, beastiality, etc was rampant before the fall of Rome.

They certainly were "loving" their neighbors like there was no tomorrow.

They also became too damn diverse.

Diversity = Death.

Well that's true about Rome being rampant with sɛҳuąƖ orgies and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity but I was speaking more of the pagan Roman martial virtues being replaced with the pacifist "love thy neighbor" attitude of the Christians. Indeed the popes would pay off the barbarians to leave Rome alone.

I have heard this theory before, but how do you explain Rome was strong as ever under the Christian Constantine? Or Byzantium for that matter that went on to flourish as the light of Rome went east to Constantinople for almost a thousand years after the Empire in the West collapsed.

Or how almost all the barbarian tribes that eventually took over former Roman lands and became powerful nations converted to Christianity.

You forget the popes also financed wars and crusades against the infidel.

alaric · « **Reply #101 on:** May 06, 2012, 06:19:10 PM »

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Most of our "mixed" ancestries in the West were mostly of similar European stock. There's a vast difference of a whole group of people with an ad mixture of Irish and Italians or Polish and German, than say someone who's half Scandinavian and half Bantu. Or the govt use of social engineering by transplanting people from totally different races and ethnicities and thrusting them upon a un-wanting populace.

You're either missing the mark or very good (in your mind) at creating strawmans Clare.

Either God intended people to be divided by language barriers (as per the Tower of Babel) or He did not, at least not in the long-term.

Now, if people are going to keep bringing up Babel to argue for separatism, they should argue against different nationalities mixing. They don't do that though (and the number of so-called "Nationalists" I am aware of who are married to foreigners is astounding!). So, really, Babel is neither here nor there.

It's tempting to accuse those who bring up Babel and Old Testament laws in the matter of race, of, ahem, Judaising...

Different nationalities are not always the same as different races, an Irishman and a German hail from different nations be basically belong to the same race, as in Euro-Caucasion. But there's a world of difference between a Chinaman and Zulu. But both belong to distinct nations.

You know where I'm going with this Clare because it is very fundamental. Or you are being disingenuous and intellectually dishonest to push your multicultural worldview.

And Jehovah in holy scripture determined that the people be separated for when they were all one they would challenge God himself. There is no doubt that God would prevent all man from coming together under the banner of man.

Now, to ideologues like yourself, Babel is outdated and irrelevant.

Your desire to have all races melded together with no respect for natural, cultural, ethnic and linguistic barriers seems very Bolshevist to me.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #102 on:** May 06, 2012, 09:58:53 PM »

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I have heard this theory before, but how do you explain Rome was strong as ever under the Christian Constantine? Or Byzantium for that matter that went on to flourish as the light of Rome went east to Constantinople for almost a thousand years after the Empire in the West collapsed.

Or how almost all the barbarian tribes that eventually took over former Roman lands and became powerful nations converted to Christianity.

You forget the popes also financed wars and crusades against the infidel.

The Roman Empire was the strongest really under Augustus or Marcus Aurelius. Even after Constantine I believe there were really no good emperors.

As for Pope Urban II financing the first war and crusade again the "infidel," I assume you mean Muslim, remember also that the Pope was a strong political force during the Medieval Period so a lot of scholars hypothesize the French pope saw it as a way to end the feudal conflicts between the nations and unite them for a holier cause to liberate Christ's home from infidel armies or to end the schism that separated the eastern church from Rome.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #103 on:** May 06, 2012, 10:03:06 PM »

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Different nationalities are not always the same as different races, an Irishman and a German hail from different nations be basically belong to the same race, as in Euro-Caucasion. But there's a world of difference between a Chinaman and Zulu. But both belong to distinct nations.

Think also that the British and German, we could say is Germanic in origin. The Chinaman and the Zulu are two different races. A Japenese man for instance shows a greater mental capacity, than say a Hottentot, just as Japan can preserve a great culture but in Africa no culture has been preserved there since the Europeans left.

clare · « **Reply #104 on:** May 07, 2012, 07:48:30 AM »

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Different nationalities are not always the same as different races, an Irishman and a German hail from different nations be basically belong to the same race, as in Euro-Caucasion.

Yes, I know, but Babel saw people divided by language.

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You know where I'm going with this Clare because it is very fundamental. Or you are being disingenuous and intellectually dishonest to push your multicultural worldview.

I am not a multiculturalist. Race and culture are not coterminous. Catholic culture is for everyone.

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And Jehovah in holy scripture determined that the people be separated for when they were all one they would challenge God himself. There is no doubt that God would prevent all man from coming together under the banner of man.

I'm talking about the banner of the Mystical Body, not of man.

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Now, to ideologues like yourself, Babel is outdated and irrelevant.

As I said, Babel saw division into different languages. If you don't consider it irrelevant, why don't you object to people of different nations, within the same race, mixing?

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Your desire to have all races melded together with no respect for natural, cultural, ethnic and linguistic barriers seems very Bolshevist to me.

As I've said, many times, I'm not a multiculturalist.

As for language barriers, make up your mind! Just now you were saying that Irish and German belong to the same race, implying that the language barrier is unimportant! But language is precisely what people were divided by at Babel.

And, it's not that I desire all races melded together. It's simply that I do not oppose people of different races getting along! And I'm not worried about what might transpire when they do. Light brown people are created in God's image too, and there are places for them in Heaven (and Hell) just like there are for the rest of us.

It does not worry me!