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Offline CampeadorShin

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No fly law in January?
« on: November 19, 2006, 02:31:11 PM »
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  • http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/64
    New Law: NO FLY FOR ALL AMERICANS!

    You wanted it now you've got it!

    This only applies to those Useful Idiots (TM) sheeple who believe everything Zionist Media Brainwashes them with.

    If this law comes into effect, ALL AMERICANS beginning Jan 14, 2007 -- That's next year, in 2 months or so -- will have their freedom of movement taken away (as if it's not already severely limited).

    Read below for more info:

    Think about the ramifications...

    They are treating us like sheep, herding us up, readying for the slaughter.... :( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    We're All Prisoners,

    Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA International Politics October 26, 2006 Forget no-fly lists.

    If Uncle Sam gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14, 2007, we'll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

    The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (HSA) has proposed that all airlines, cruise lines-even fishing boats-be required to obtain clearance for each passenger they propose taking into or out of the United States.

    It doesn't matter if you have a U.S. Passport - a "travel document" that now, absent a court order to the contrary, gives you a virtually unqualified right to enter or leave the United States, any time you want.

    When the DHS system comes into effect next January, if the agency says "no" to a clearance request, or doesn't answer the request at all, you won't be permitted to enter-or leave-the United States.

    Consider what might happen if you're a U.S. passport holder on assignment in a country like Saudi Arabia. Your visa is about to expire, so you board your flight back to the United States.

    But wait! You can't get on, because you don't have permission from the HSA. Saudi immigration officials are on hand to escort you to a squalid detention center, where you and others who are now effectively "stateless persons" are detained, potentially indefinitely, until their immigration status is sorted out.

    Why might the HSA deny you permission to leave-or enter-the United States?

    No one knows, because the entire clearance procedure would be an administrative determination made secretly, with no right of appeal.

    Naturally, the decision would be made without a warrant, without probable cause and without even any particular degree of suspicion.

    Basically, if the HSA decides it doesn't like you, you're a prisoner - either outside, or inside, the United States, whether or not you hold a U.S. passport.

    The U.S. Supreme Court has long recognized there is a constitutional right to travel internationally. Indeed, it has declared that the right to travel is "a virtually unconditional personal right." The United States has also signed treaties guaranteeing "freedom of travel."

    So if these regulations do go into effect, you can expect a lengthy court battle, both nationally and internationally.

    Think this can't happen? Think again.

    It's ALREADY happening.

    Earlier this year, HSA forbade airlines from transporting an 18-year-old a native-born U.S. citizen, back to the United States. The prohibition lasted nearly six months until it was finally lifted a few weeks ago.

    Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are two countries in recent history that didn't allow their citizens to travel abroad without permission.

    If these regulations go into effect, you can add the United States to this list. For more information on this proposed regulation, see http:// hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf.

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    No fly law in January?
    « Reply #1 on: November 19, 2006, 11:03:58 PM »
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  • Ridicule.

    Piece of trash that takes for granted that it's reader are used to assume the worse and not make the effort to understand:

    A) the actual new procedure. (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2006/06-6237.htm)
    B) the critical paper written against it and provided at the end. (http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf)





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    No fly law in January?
    « Reply #2 on: November 20, 2006, 04:06:39 PM »
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  • Well, we'll just have to wait to see what happens, as we always do.
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    No fly law in January?
    « Reply #3 on: November 20, 2006, 04:35:28 PM »
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  • This was written by Mark Nestmann, a wealth preservation consultant.  His website is www.nestmann.com.  He's not  someone who writes for the tinfoil hat crowd.

    This was taken from a letter that is part of a subscription service offered by this wealth protection service www.sovereignsociety.com.  These people advise individuals how to protect their assets.  

    Now, I would concede that there may be a few tinfoil hatters that would like to keep their wealth protected, but the individuals who write for these services are aiming at business people who have their heads on straight.

    Vandaler, did you take the time and care to investigate who wrote this bit of ridicule?

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    No fly law in January?
    « Reply #4 on: November 20, 2006, 08:29:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: Brian
    This was written by Mark Nestmann, a wealth preservation consultant.  His website is www.nestmann.com.  He's not  someone who writes for the tinfoil hat crowd.

    This was taken from a letter that is part of a subscription service offered by this wealth protection service www.sovereignsociety.com.  These people advise individuals how to protect their assets.  

    Now, I would concede that there may be a few tinfoil hatters that would like to keep their wealth protected, but the individuals who write for these services are aiming at business people who have their heads on straight.

    Vandaler, did you take the time and care to investigate who wrote this bit of ridicule?


    Thank you, no I had not verified who wrote it... your right, the text is imbedded - without credits - and dressed up with comments that lends additional fire to a less emotional original message (My labeling "ridicule" is of course pertaining to the complete message, not only the imbed)

    I did however verified how the charge stack up to the rule amendment USCBP-2005-0003

    I work in the Security field, managing important aspects of 1 International Airline and 3 major financial institutions. This does not make me an expert in the actual field of boarding passes and it's procedures but, I have a very clear and distinct understanding of the conflict that exist between privacy/freedom vs security.

    I'm confident I have a fairer outlook then a privacy activist who  as a vetted interest in only one side of the debate, while I need to respect a reasonnable balance.

    He writes as an ideologue, and me a pragmatist.

    Of course, me saying it's ridicule, is an opinion.  You can disagree if you like and bite your nails off next time you fly out.




     

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