Author Topic: Ngo Dinh Diem and his family (Read 3458 times)

Raoul76 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 01, 2009, 01:30:08 AM »

Elizabeth, the bishop who purportedly kept Archbishop -- or Bishop, since he was made Archbishop by John XXIII -- locked up was Bishop Vezelis. According to that same interview, Bishop Vezelis was not especially concerned when Archbishop Thuc was kidnapped because he didn't want him to go around consecrating anyone else. He didn't want any competition.

I was a catechumen with the Vezelis group at one time, before switching to CMRI. Midway through my catechumenate I learned from that Michael Dimond interview that Bishop Vezelis considers himself the only bishop in the U.S. and makes all those who go there sign a paper acknowledging him as the only bishop. Sign on the schismatic line, eh?

I wrote their secondary bishop, the Germanic and stern Bishop Giles, if it were true that I had to accept their group as the only one. "You will have to submit to the true bishop" was his response. I then remembered their priest saying that I had to make the bishop "the bishop of my soul" and freaked out. I never went back.

Now that I think NFP is a heresy this is all moot as I believe the entire sedevacantist clergy is under the evil spell of Pius XII. I remember asking their priest about NFP because it bothered me even then. He said "We allow it, but we don't teach it." Well, excuse me, but if it's permissible and not a heresy then you shouldn't be ashamed of it.

So there really are no priests and bishops at the moment, as far as I can see. It has been an adventure trying to find one though.

P.S. Interestingly, both Bishops Vezelis and Pivarunas are Lithuanian. Guess who else was half Lithuanian-Jew? JPII! Not a ringing endorsement for that country. Also a creepy friend I had before becoming Catholic who I'm pretty sure was a vampire trying to eat my soul was Lithuanian, so maybe there is a running theme here. Stay away from Lithuanians.

Here's a pic of JP-II in Lithuania, he was the first "Pope" to visit there and said "Half my heart is in Lithuania." What on Earth is going on with his face? Someone call an exorcist!

Elizabeth · « **Reply #11 on:** November 01, 2009, 03:04:56 PM »

I thank everyone from the bottom of my heart for any information about Abp. Thuc.

Sometimes people who are ignorant of other cultures assign insanity to certain manners and customs. For example, my Victorian era grandparents really did not think or act like anyone I have ever known since.

But I am certain that an aristocratic, royal family Vietnamese archbishop just plain does things differently than we do. Expects different results, assumes things in all innocence. (I know that is a clumsy explanation, sorry)

Here's another example, but a weak one. A dear friend of mine was raised with a houseful of maids in South America, She is so different from the average American. Her entire way of relating is different, although she is a good Catholic. Like she had one of her nannies sleeping in a walk-in closet-no problemo for Nanny or Mrs. X.

So who is Fr. Vizellis? Where is he from, etc? Thanks.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #12 on:** November 01, 2009, 03:09:41 PM »

Raoul, about JP2's face.

Lithium, wouldn't you say?

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #13 on:** November 02, 2009, 01:28:08 AM »

Never weep for a hero. No,never, even if he suffered the greatest cruelties. But envy his virtues and happy eternity.

Caraffa · « **Reply #14 on:** November 02, 2009, 05:36:39 PM »

Today marks the 46th anniversary of his death. The Americanist faux Catholics like Kennedy and Spellman thought that they could make Deim into a puppet for American interests. When they found out that he care less about their desires and their Americanism, Kennedy had the CIA take out Deim.