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Offline TuAmigo

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Next Valid Pope
« on: April 21, 2025, 02:53:07 PM »
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    • To anyone that didn't believe Pope Francis was a valid pope:

    • What needs to happen for a valid pope to become a reality?
    • Any examples of who could be a good pope?
    • Is there anything in this life that would convince you otherwise about the validity of JXXIII/JP2/Benedict/Francis?

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    Offline TuAmigo

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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #1 on: April 21, 2025, 03:06:49 PM »
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    • Johannes, that's quite the graphic response.  What about the other 2 questions?


    • What needs to happen for a valid pope to become a reality?
    • Any examples of who could be a good pope?

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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #2 on: April 21, 2025, 03:29:33 PM »
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    • Johannes, that's interesting.  Sounds like you're convinced the Papacy is over forever and we are all orphans until the 2nd Coming of our Blessed Lord.  I'm having a hard time reconciling that with our Blessed Lord giving Peter the power of the keys, the power to bind and loose, and the command to feed His sheep.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #3 on: April 21, 2025, 04:22:33 PM »
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    • Lots of questions ...

    If you're straight Sedeprivationist, you would have to hold that if some man who still had the faith, i.e. did not pertinaciously reject it, were elected, the graces of the office would then cause him to straighten the Church out.  Some Sedeprivationists, however, have a hybrid view where the popes before Bergoglio were material Popes (but not formal) while Jorge himself was not even a material pope (for various reasons).

    If you're an SV, then it wouldn't matter who they elect.

    Even if one of these scenarios played out, you'd still have a problem, since the only way the Church can really be restored would be if someone were elected who could receive a Universal Consensus of being a legitimate Pope.

    I believe that direct divine intervention will be required.  Anna Maria Taigi (a rather credible source) had a vision in which Sts. Peter and Paul would appear in the time of the greatest darkness and designate the Pope who should be accepted or elected.  I believe this makes sense give how much of a mess this has turned into.

    But somehow God WILL fix this ... unless you believe we're in THE end times and that there will be no more popes.
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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #4 on: April 21, 2025, 04:33:58 PM »
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    • To get a True Pope I think Vll has to be revoked,  only bishops and priests who adhere to pre-Vll  doctrines and Dogmas would be considered for re-consecration and ordination ( done by valid Bishops only) and to participate in a conclave , all Vll practices and false doctrines would have to be repealed. A great period of mourning and penance should be required from the entire Church because of the cooperation of Catholics with the insults and blasphemies of the false Novus Ordo religion as the world begs for a Holy Pope. 
    That's a start. 
    (It could happen in a moment if God Wills it)
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    Offline AnthonyPadua

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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #5 on: April 21, 2025, 05:25:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on April 21, 2025, 04:33:58 PM
    To get a True Pope I think Vll has to be revoked,  only bishops and priests who adhere to pre-Vll  doctrines and Dogmas would be considered for re-consecration and ordination ( done by valid Bishops only) and to participate in a conclave , all Vll practices and false doctrines would have to be repealed. A great period of mourning and penance should be required from the entire Church because of the cooperation of Catholics with the insults and blasphemies of the false Novus Ordo religion as the world begs for a Holy Pope.
    That's a start.
    (It could happen in a moment if God Wills it)
    How many could that be when most trad clergy don't properly believe in EENS?
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #6 on: April 21, 2025, 06:09:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on April 21, 2025, 05:25:11 PM
    How many could that be when most trad clergy don't properly believe in EENS?

    Well, to be honest, bishops and priests before V2 didn't properly believ in it either ... and that was primarily what led to V2 in the first place.

    But, yes, you're right.  We'll need a Pope who actually understands the root cause theological problem and not just playing whack-a-mole with the offshot errors.  You knock this error down (religious liberty), then you knock another one down (ecuмenism), but until the pull  the problem up by the roots, they'll keep sprouting back up like weeds and mushrooms.

    Unfortunately, you can count on one hand (with several fingers to spare) the number of current Trad clergy who actually understand the problem.

    I recall one private revelation (though I can't recall the details of when/where) where Our Lady describe the Triumph of Her Immaculate Heart as an era where again there will be "one faith ane one Baptism" ... the latter strongly implying that this egregious error will be corrected by the Holy Pope.  I just have no idea who that will be, since 99% of Trads would make it their first official act to excommunicate Feeneyites and (posthumously) Fr. Feeney ... even before repealing Vatican II and condeming the V2 Antipopes.
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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #7 on: April 21, 2025, 06:19:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 21, 2025, 04:22:33 PM
    Some Sedeprivationists, however, have a hybrid view where the popes before Bergoglio were material Popes (but not formal) while Jorge himself was not even a material pope (for various reasons).

    ...

    But somehow God WILL fix this ... unless you believe we're in THE end times and that there will be no more popes.
    BINGO on both counts!!!
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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #8 on: April 21, 2025, 06:21:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on April 21, 2025, 05:25:11 PM
    How many could that be when most trad clergy don't properly believe in EENS?
    Well. if this would actually happen, there would also have to be a new crop of young Traditional men to step up for ordination. Maybe there could be a grace period where full traditional seminary schooling could take place within the confines of active post-ordination. 
    Just speculating here
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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #9 on: April 21, 2025, 06:25:25 PM »
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    • That crazy Italian Freemason Zagami on Alex Jones show said that the Bergoglio and his Papal assistants have already written up an official docuмent to abolish the papacy.
    This is probably not true and not valid if it were, but rumors abound, and this guy has been right in the past
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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #10 on: April 21, 2025, 08:53:50 PM »
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    • The next one might be worse.  

    They might make a saint out of this last one that the world so loved.  He is dead and they are already making him a saint. 
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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #11 on: April 22, 2025, 06:51:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on April 21, 2025, 08:53:50 PM
    The next one might be worse. 

    Depends on what you mean by "worse".  I think that a pseudo-conservative type would be WORSE than someone who's even more of a Leftist than Bergoglio.  At least with Bergoglio, anyone with a Catholic cell left in his body could realize that he wasn't Catholic ... whereas the Wojtylas and Ratzingers did a much better job of fooling otherwise-well-meaning Catholics.

    As predicted, Taylor Marshall was already on shilling for a "conservative", like Sarah or even a "moderate" (as he called him) like Cardinal ("Deep DIsh") Pizza ... so that IF such a one were elected, "Trad, Inc." that had been slouching toward Traditionalists will snap back into shape in submission to the pseudo-conservative.
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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #12 on: April 22, 2025, 07:08:15 AM »
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    • I'm sure Bergoglio's successor has been chosen months, if not years ago. The lodge isn't going to leave
    something this important to the vagaries of an election without a lot of planning, persuasion, arm twisting, bribing and blackmailing if need be. 
    We have seen this over and over again in the world of politics and entertainment. Some unremarkable person is seemingly plucked out of obscurity and is suddenly everywhere in the media. Obama is best example I can think of.
    He went from unknown community organizer to senator to best selling author to Noble prize winner to president within the space of a few years.  
    The antichrist and false prophet will have similar meteoric trajectories. 
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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #13 on: April 22, 2025, 07:29:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: VerdenFell on April 22, 2025, 07:08:15 AM
    I'm sure Bergoglio's successor has been chosen months, if not years ago. The lodge isn't going to leave
    something this important to the vagaries of an election without a lot of planning, persuasion, arm twisting, bribing and blackmailing if need be.
    We have seen this over and over again in the world of politics and entertainment. Some unremarkable person is seemingly plucked out of obscurity and is suddenly everywhere in the media. Obama is best example I can think of.
    He went from unknown community organizer to senator to best selling author to Noble prize winner to president within the space of a few years. 
    The antichrist and false prophet will have similar meteoric trajectories.

    I'm curious to know who that is in your avatar.

    As you can see, we both like top hats! 😄
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    Re: Next Valid Pope
    « Reply #14 on: April 22, 2025, 07:56:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Simeon on April 22, 2025, 07:29:16 AM
    I'm curious to know who that is in your avatar.

    As you can see, we both like top hats! 😄
    It's the actor Vincent Price, he was a late convert to Catholicism
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