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Title: Next Valid Pope
Post by: TuAmigo on April 21, 2025, 02:53:07 PM
To anyone that didn't believe Pope Francis was a valid pope:


Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: TuAmigo on April 21, 2025, 03:06:49 PM
Johannes, that's quite the graphic response.  What about the other 2 questions?



Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: TuAmigo on April 21, 2025, 03:29:33 PM
Johannes, that's interesting.  Sounds like you're convinced the Papacy is over forever and we are all orphans until the 2nd Coming of our Blessed Lord.  I'm having a hard time reconciling that with our Blessed Lord giving Peter the power of the keys, the power to bind and loose, and the command to feed His sheep.
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: Ladislaus on April 21, 2025, 04:22:33 PM
Lots of questions ...

If you're straight Sedeprivationist, you would have to hold that if some man who still had the faith, i.e. did not pertinaciously reject it, were elected, the graces of the office would then cause him to straighten the Church out.  Some Sedeprivationists, however, have a hybrid view where the popes before Bergoglio were material Popes (but not formal) while Jorge himself was not even a material pope (for various reasons).

If you're an SV, then it wouldn't matter who they elect.

Even if one of these scenarios played out, you'd still have a problem, since the only way the Church can really be restored would be if someone were elected who could receive a Universal Consensus of being a legitimate Pope.

I believe that direct divine intervention will be required.  Anna Maria Taigi (a rather credible source) had a vision in which Sts. Peter and Paul would appear in the time of the greatest darkness and designate the Pope who should be accepted or elected.  I believe this makes sense give how much of a mess this has turned into.

But somehow God WILL fix this ... unless you believe we're in THE end times and that there will be no more popes.
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: josefamenendez on April 21, 2025, 04:33:58 PM
To get a True Pope I think Vll has to be revoked,  only bishops and priests who adhere to pre-Vll  doctrines and Dogmas would be considered for re-consecration and ordination ( done by valid Bishops only) and to participate in a conclave , all Vll practices and false doctrines would have to be repealed. A great period of mourning and penance should be required from the entire Church because of the cooperation of Catholics with the insults and blasphemies of the false Novus Ordo religion as the world begs for a Holy Pope. 
That's a start. 
(It could happen in a moment if God Wills it)
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: AnthonyPadua on April 21, 2025, 05:25:11 PM
Quote from: josefamenendez on April 21, 2025, 04:33:58 PM
To get a True Pope I think Vll has to be revoked,  only bishops and priests who adhere to pre-Vll  doctrines and Dogmas would be considered for re-consecration and ordination ( done by valid Bishops only) and to participate in a conclave , all Vll practices and false doctrines would have to be repealed. A great period of mourning and penance should be required from the entire Church because of the cooperation of Catholics with the insults and blasphemies of the false Novus Ordo religion as the world begs for a Holy Pope.
That's a start.
(It could happen in a moment if God Wills it)
How many could that be when most trad clergy don't properly believe in EENS?
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: Ladislaus on April 21, 2025, 06:09:46 PM
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on April 21, 2025, 05:25:11 PM
How many could that be when most trad clergy don't properly believe in EENS?

Well, to be honest, bishops and priests before V2 didn't properly believ in it either ... and that was primarily what led to V2 in the first place.

But, yes, you're right.  We'll need a Pope who actually understands the root cause theological problem and not just playing whack-a-mole with the offshot errors.  You knock this error down (religious liberty), then you knock another one down (ecuмenism), but until the pull  the problem up by the roots, they'll keep sprouting back up like weeds and mushrooms.

Unfortunately, you can count on one hand (with several fingers to spare) the number of current Trad clergy who actually understand the problem.

I recall one private revelation (though I can't recall the details of when/where) where Our Lady describe the Triumph of Her Immaculate Heart as an era where again there will be "one faith ane one Baptism" ... the latter strongly implying that this egregious error will be corrected by the Holy Pope.  I just have no idea who that will be, since 99% of Trads would make it their first official act to excommunicate Feeneyites and (posthumously) Fr. Feeney ... even before repealing Vatican II and condeming the V2 Antipopes.
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: ElwinRansom1970 on April 21, 2025, 06:19:31 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on April 21, 2025, 04:22:33 PM
Some Sedeprivationists, however, have a hybrid view where the popes before Bergoglio were material Popes (but not formal) while Jorge himself was not even a material pope (for various reasons).

...

But somehow God WILL fix this ... unless you believe we're in THE end times and that there will be no more popes.
BINGO on both counts!!!
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: josefamenendez on April 21, 2025, 06:21:14 PM
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on April 21, 2025, 05:25:11 PM
How many could that be when most trad clergy don't properly believe in EENS?
Well. if this would actually happen, there would also have to be a new crop of young Traditional men to step up for ordination. Maybe there could be a grace period where full traditional seminary schooling could take place within the confines of active post-ordination. 
Just speculating here
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: josefamenendez on April 21, 2025, 06:25:25 PM
That crazy Italian Freemason Zagami on Alex Jones show said that the Bergoglio and his Papal assistants have already written up an official docuмent to abolish the papacy.
This is probably not true and not valid if it were, but rumors abound, and this guy has been right in the past
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on April 21, 2025, 08:53:50 PM
The next one might be worse.  

They might make a saint out of this last one that the world so loved.  He is dead and they are already making him a saint. 
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: Ladislaus on April 22, 2025, 06:51:03 AM
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on April 21, 2025, 08:53:50 PM
The next one might be worse. 

Depends on what you mean by "worse".  I think that a pseudo-conservative type would be WORSE than someone who's even more of a Leftist than Bergoglio.  At least with Bergoglio, anyone with a Catholic cell left in his body could realize that he wasn't Catholic ... whereas the Wojtylas and Ratzingers did a much better job of fooling otherwise-well-meaning Catholics.

As predicted, Taylor Marshall was already on shilling for a "conservative", like Sarah or even a "moderate" (as he called him) like Cardinal ("Deep DIsh") Pizza ... so that IF such a one were elected, "Trad, Inc." that had been slouching toward Traditionalists will snap back into shape in submission to the pseudo-conservative.
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: VerdenFell on April 22, 2025, 07:08:15 AM
I'm sure Bergoglio's successor has been chosen months, if not years ago. The lodge isn't going to leave
something this important to the vagaries of an election without a lot of planning, persuasion, arm twisting, bribing and blackmailing if need be. 
We have seen this over and over again in the world of politics and entertainment. Some unremarkable person is seemingly plucked out of obscurity and is suddenly everywhere in the media. Obama is best example I can think of.
He went from unknown community organizer to senator to best selling author to Noble prize winner to president within the space of a few years.  
The antichrist and false prophet will have similar meteoric trajectories. 
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: Simeon on April 22, 2025, 07:29:16 AM
Quote from: VerdenFell on April 22, 2025, 07:08:15 AM
I'm sure Bergoglio's successor has been chosen months, if not years ago. The lodge isn't going to leave
something this important to the vagaries of an election without a lot of planning, persuasion, arm twisting, bribing and blackmailing if need be.
We have seen this over and over again in the world of politics and entertainment. Some unremarkable person is seemingly plucked out of obscurity and is suddenly everywhere in the media. Obama is best example I can think of.
He went from unknown community organizer to senator to best selling author to Noble prize winner to president within the space of a few years. 
The antichrist and false prophet will have similar meteoric trajectories.

I'm curious to know who that is in your avatar.

As you can see, we both like top hats! 😄
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: VerdenFell on April 22, 2025, 07:56:35 AM
Quote from: Simeon on April 22, 2025, 07:29:16 AM
I'm curious to know who that is in your avatar.

As you can see, we both like top hats! 😄
It's the actor Vincent Price, he was a late convert to Catholicism
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on April 22, 2025, 08:08:50 AM
Quote from: VerdenFell on April 22, 2025, 07:08:15 AM
I'm sure Bergoglio's successor has been chosen months, if not years ago. The lodge isn't going to leave
something this important to the vagaries of an election without a lot of planning, persuasion, arm twisting, bribing and blackmailing if need be.
We have seen this over and over again in the world of politics and entertainment. Some unremarkable person is seemingly plucked out of obscurity and is suddenly everywhere in the media. Obama is best example I can think of.
He went from unknown community organizer to senator to best selling author to Noble prize winner to president within the space of a few years. 
The antichrist and false prophet will have similar meteoric trajectories.

Are you saying that you think the next pope will be The False Prophet?
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: VerdenFell on April 22, 2025, 08:24:30 AM
Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on April 22, 2025, 08:08:50 AM
Are you saying that you think the next pope will be The False Prophet?
In light of everything else which is happening on the world stage and the unfolding of prophecy, I can't see how the next "pope" wouldn't be a key figure in the revealing of the antichrist. 
From time to time I check in on "our elder brothers in the faith" to see what they have to say about where we are in the timeline of their messiah. There are plenty of videos of the leading rabbis and they are quite candid about their calculations and intentions. 2030 has some mystical, kabbalistic significance to them and the elites are collectively working with an urgency to prime the public for something unprecedented. This could be WW3, a fake UFO invasion, AI becoming sentient, another plague, or some mixture of thereof. 
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: Ladislaus on April 22, 2025, 10:23:31 AM
I'm seeing all the "Trad, Inc." types out there rooting for and even predicting Sarah.

Those are the crows that "don't get it", where Sarah is a conservative within the entire Vatican II / Conciliar paradigm, where he would potentially make accidental changes rather than substantial ones.

It all boils down to the paradigm about whether Vatican II represents a minor deviation from Catholicism, and that mostly due to poor implementations or interpretations of it ... or whether it represents a substantial change and a complete paradigm shift.

It's also what the neo-SSPX vs. Resistance debate is all about, or the debate between Schneider and +Vigano.
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: Mark 79 on April 22, 2025, 10:24:25 AM
As they gaslight and jostle, remember what the next Anti-Pope must do to usher in the reign of the Anti-Christ: https://archive.is/pUzHY (https://archive.is/pUzHY)

excerpted from Kabbalah: https://archive.is/pUzHY
 
They calculate a deadline of 2240 A.D.

(https://d82j1mmy44g1k4.archive.is/pUzHY/dc43335f096575199351b470c97e79715635d9c7.jpg)


If you follow curent events, the desperation of the genocidalists is showing.

A rapidly increasing number of goyim are wide awake now.  The Jews miscalculated (as they often do) how effectively they could control the internet and, as a result, the number of goyim who are aware of the Jєωιѕн problem has exploded. The Jews perceive a need to conquer before the balance of power shifts.

Kabbalah teaches that the goyim must be exterminated and/or enslaved before “moshiach” arrives bringing in global Jєωιѕн hegemony. Their panicked haste (rather injudicious on their part since turning up the heat makes it harder to boil us “frogs”) is also partly due to Kabbalist gematria calculation.

Their date deadline to bring in moshiach is 2240 A.D.

“According to classical Jєωιѕн sources, the Hebrew year 6000 (from sunset of 29 September 2239[2] until nightfall of 16 September 2240[3] on the Gregorian calendar) marks the latest time for the initiation of the Messianic Age. The тαℓмυd,[4] Midrash,[5] and the Kabbalistic work, the Zohar,[6] state that the date by which the Messiah must appear is 6,000 years from creation. According to tradition, the Hebrew calendar started at the time of Creation, placed at 3761 BCE.[7] …

“The belief that the seventh millennium will correspond to the Messianic Age is founded upon a universalized application of the concept of Shabbat—the 7th day of the week—the sanctified 'day of rest'.”

[2] "Hebrew Date Converter - 1st of Tishrei, 6000 | Hebcal Jєωιѕн Calendar".https://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=29&gm=9&gy=2239&gs=on&g2h=1 (https://archive.is/o/pUzHY/https://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=29&gm=9&gy=2239&gs=on&g2h=1). Retrieved 2018-01-04.
[3] "Hebrew Date Converter - 29th of Elul, 6000 | Hebcal Jєωιѕн Calendar" https://www.hebcal.com/converter/?hd=29&hm=Elul&hy=6000&h2g=1 (https://archive.is/o/pUzHY/https://www.hebcal.com/converter/?hd=29&hm=Elul&hy=6000&h2g=1). Retrieved 2018-01-04.
[4] Babylonian тαℓмυd Rosh Hashana 31a and Sanhedrin 97a
[5] Pirke De Rabbi Eliezer, Gerald Friedlander, Sepher-Hermon Press, New York, 1981, p. 141.
[6] Zohar (1:117a) and Zohar Vayera 119a
[7] World Book Encyclopedia, C-Ch, entry under 'Calendar'
entry “Year 6000,” Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_6000 (https://archive.is/o/pUzHY/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_6000)

But their “messianic age” can begin at any time before 2240 A.D. as long as the conditions of the “redemptive stages” are completed.

“And above all, the prophecy is revealed in the Messianic King even before the redemption, as a kind of revelation of the completeness of the prophecy in the redemption...the conditions mentioned by the Rambam were fulfilled in him (Chabad Rebbe Schneerson).”
מלך המשיח
King Messiah
https://hageula.com/geula_moshiach/melech_hamoshiach/17036.htm (https://archive.is/o/pUzHY/https://hageula.com/geula_moshiach/melech_hamoshiach/17036.htm)

Everything is now completed but the destruction of Edom (West).

a machine translation of the original Hebrew article:

King Messiah
Commentaries On Faith • Chapter 2: The Process Of Revelation

Redemption illuminates the world with all its strength, through the actions of the Israelites, and in particular through the work of the Rebbe the King of the Messiah, Shalita. Messiah • to read
Shneor Greenfeld 0 26 Tammuz 1777, 07.20.2017, 18:46

(https://d82j1mmy44g1k4.archive.is/pUzHY/4b4809d2327fb06f17463575ac36d89fc111f42b.jpg)

Commentaries on faith • Chapter 2: The process of revelation…

Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on April 22, 2025, 10:32:49 AM
Quote from: VerdenFell on April 22, 2025, 08:24:30 AM
In light of everything else which is happening on the world stage and the unfolding of prophecy, I can't see how the next "pope" wouldn't be a key figure in the revealing of the antichrist.
From time to time I check in on "our elder brothers in the faith" to see what they have to say about where we are in the timeline of their messiah. There are plenty of videos of the leading rabbis and they are quite candid about their calculations and intentions. 2030 has some mystical, kabbalistic significance to them and the elites are collectively working with an urgency to prime the public for something unprecedented. This could be WW3, a fake UFO invasion, AI becoming sentient, another plague, or some mixture of thereof.
So you don't think Francis was The False Prophet?  I lean in this direction myself.
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: Simeon on April 22, 2025, 10:37:54 AM
Quote from: VerdenFell on April 22, 2025, 07:56:35 AM
It's the actor Vincent Price, he was a late convert to Catholicism

Ah ha! Thank you! He's the pinnacle of "the voice," and now both Catholic and a top hat wearer! Nothing better!
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: VerdenFell on April 22, 2025, 10:44:55 AM
They don't think they have 10 more years, much less until 2240 AD to achieve their grand design.
For one thing they know their most gullible supporters, American boomers, are dying off. The younger
generations are showing an indifference to their h0Ɩ0h0αx propaganda. Being addicted to porn, weed, and
video games creates apathy, especially when it comes to the alleged events of WWII which may as well have occurred on another planet.
They are squandering their exalted victimhood status by the day as they carry out their genocide. Too many people
are getting their news from the internet and not the mainstream media so the likes of Mark Levin, Sean Hannity and their other surrogates can't control the narrative anymore.  
I can't see another politician emerging who commands as much blind adulation like Trump who can sell a war on Iran.

Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: ThatBritPapist on April 22, 2025, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: Ladislaus on April 22, 2025, 10:23:31 AM
I'm seeing all the "Trad, Inc." types out there rooting for and even predicting Sarah.

Those are the crows that "don't get it", where Sarah is a conservative within the entire Vatican II / Conciliar paradigm, where he would potentially make accidental changes rather than substantial ones.

It all boils down to the paradigm about whether Vatican II represents a minor deviation from Catholicism, and that mostly due to poor implementations or interpretations of it ... or whether it represents a substantial change and a complete paradigm shift.

It's also what the neo-SSPX vs. Resistance debate is all about, or the debate between Schneider and +Vigano.
I agree  I have an open question, if the New Rite of Ordination is Invalid that would mean that the modern Cardinals wouldn't be Cardinals let alone valid Bishops and Priests. So in that question would that mean there would be no way to elect a Pope as there are no Valid Cardinal-Electors left?

Another thought I had was if a Conciliar Conservative who was ordained and consecrated in the New Rite like Cardinal Ranjith or Cardinal Arinze, Hypothetically reversed V2 and all of the fruits of V2, would Sede's then recognise the Pope as being the Pope?
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: Mark 79 on April 22, 2025, 10:48:28 AM
Quote from: VerdenFell on April 22, 2025, 10:44:55 AM

They don't think they have 10 more years, much less until 2240 AD to achieve their grand design.
For one thing they know their most gullible supporters, American boomers, are dying off. The younger
generations are showing an indifference to their h0Ɩ0h0αx propaganda. Being addicted to porn, weed, and
video games creates apathy, especially when it comes to the alleged events of WWII which may as well have occurred on another planet.
They are squandering their exalted victimhood status by the day as they carry out their genocide. Too many people
are getting their news from the internet and not the mainstream media so the likes of Mark Levin, Sean Hannity and their other surrogates can't control the narrative anymore. 
I can't see another politician emerging who commands as much blind adulation like Trump who can sell a war on Iran.
I agree, notwithstanding their gematria calculations, I wrote: "If you follow current events, the desperation of the genocidalists is showing."
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: Ladislaus on April 22, 2025, 12:52:29 PM
Quote from: ThatBritPapist on April 22, 2025, 10:45:06 AM
I agree  I have an open question, if the New Rite of Ordination is Invalid that would mean that the modern Cardinals wouldn't be Cardinals let alone valid Bishops and Priests. So in that question would that mean there would be no way to elect a Pope as there are no Valid Cardinal-Electors left?

Another thought I had was if a Conciliar Conservative who was ordained and consecrated in the New Rite like Cardinal Ranjith or Cardinal Arinze, Hypothetically reversed V2 and all of the fruits of V2, would Sede's then recognise the Pope as being the Pope?

So, Cardinals are a bit of a different question, as I was referring mostly to whether the Conciliar Church represents a dramatic / substantial rupture from the Catholic Church or just some deviation of what essentially remains the Church but which requires a bit of course correction.

Being a valid Cardinal isn't necessarily tied to the validity of Holy Orders, though I would argue that one must be at least a valid priest or deacon, though I've heard the opinion that any cleric or even a layman could be a Cardinal.  Since the Cardinalate is not of Divine Institution, the Pope could decide any manner of electing a new pope, including appointing the next one himself

But if one believes that Bergoglio was not even materially a Pope, then the Cardinals would not be Cardinals because he's have had no authority to appoint them.

I saw a round-table with Derksen (Novus Ordo Watch), Verrecchio, and another guy I'm not familiar with, and they posited that under those circuмstances one might argue that someone could become a legitimate Pope by virtue of Universal Acceptance.  I don't really buy that, and I'm not sure they did either, but they said they'd have to keep an eye out on such a scenario.
Title: Re: Next Valid Pope
Post by: Philip on April 22, 2025, 12:54:34 PM
Quote from: ThatBritPapist on April 22, 2025, 10:45:06 AM
I agree  I have an open question, if the New Rite of Ordination is Invalid that would mean that the modern Cardinals wouldn't be Cardinals let alone valid Bishops and Priests. So in that question would that mean there would be no way to elect a Pope as there are no Valid Cardinal-Electors left?

Another thought I had was if a Conciliar Conservative who was ordained and consecrated in the New Rite like Cardinal Ranjith or Cardinal Arinze, Hypothetically reversed V2 and all of the fruits of V2, would Sede's then recognise the Pope as being the Pope?
Cardinal Arinze was consecrated in the old rite - the only cardinal left who was.