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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2025, 01:16:45 PM »
There's so much strange things about Fr. Malachi Martin that even if he was alive, giving interviews and writing books himself, I would believe none of it without solid evidence.

I can understand conservatives giving him attention, but not Traditionalists, who should know better.
Please explain "strange things" keeping in mind that the tactics of the enemy include creating falsehoods about a person, attacking their character and muddying the water so people throw their hands in the air and give up on learning the truth. This is only done to those who are in their way.

Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2025, 02:30:36 PM »
Please explain "strange things" keeping in mind that the tactics of the enemy include creating falsehoods about a person, attacking their character and muddying the water so people throw their hands in the air and give up on learning the truth. This is only done to those who are in their way.

I have even read an article that showed that he received money from some Jєωιѕн organizations. It was on this board, if I am not mistaken.


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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2025, 04:07:29 PM »
Laramie Hirsch found something interesting:

https://theweltgeist.substack.com/p/fr-malachi-martin-i-want-to-believe

But it is even worse than what Laramie found.

Rob Marro says  [Malachi Martin: In the Shadows of the Vatican, pgs 40-41]:


"...[Martin] was consecrated five months earlier as a secret bishop of the Roman Catholic Church by Bishop Domenico Tardini, the Vatican Pro-Secretary of State for Extraordinary Ecclesiastical Affairs, with the express approval of Pope Pius XII. After the brief ceremony in Rome’s Church of the Twelve Holy Apostles, or Santi apostoli as the Italian locals called it, Bishop Tardini, and two weeks later, Pope Pius XII himself, gave the newly consecrated episcopus in pectore, or secret bishop, a direct, almost perfunctory briefing of the situation that awaited the New Bishop Malachi Martin, SJ.

But here is the information on Tardini on Catholic-hierarchy.org:

https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/btardini.html

Note that Tardini was not even consecrated a bishop until 14 December 1958. And look who Tardini's principal Consecrator was: Pope John XXIII.

So, Tardini's own consecration took place after the death of Pope Pius XII in October 1958. Therefore, a dead Pope Pius XII could not have given Martin a "perfunctory briefing of the situation that awaited the New Bishop Malachi Martin, SJ."

Clearly the events described do not correspond to the facts. How did the publisher's fact-checkers missed this?

This guy Marro is ex-CIA. He admits that. I wouldn't believe anything he says without independent confirmation.

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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2025, 10:55:13 PM »
Oh please. "Veritable career"? Malachi Martin wrote one book which, for health reasons no doubt, he choose to label as fiction as high Vatican hierarchy were called out. It is well-known that Malachi Martin had circulated a paper with a list of the real enemy hierarchy along with their fictionalized names.

That is not a "veritalbe career out of mixing fact with fiction."

Please stop engaging in calumny and if you just can't help yourself, at least tone down accusing others of what you are doing.

You are borderline delusional when you have become emotionally attached to someone or something, like you did and continue to be with Trump.

Martin himself characterized the style of his own novels as "faction", which by definition is mixing fact with fiction ...
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We are talking about real events and real people masked in the form of a novel; nowadays it is called faction …

As for a "veritable career", that's absolutely true as Martin made most of his money and got most of his notoriety from writing his faction novels, and there were close to a dozen of them, not just ONE.  You're the one who's a liar and there's nothing of calumny in anything I said.

Every single one of the following was written in that faction style, where you had fake names, but the various individuals bore striking resemblances at times to some real historical figures.  When you see the disclaimers nowadays in movies that "any resemblance to real people was not intentional" ... well, Martin's resemblances were absolutely intentional.

Windswept House
Hostage to the Devil
The Jesuits
The Keys of this Blood
The Final Conclave
The Vatican

But the problem there is that because there's a blend, that gives him plausible deniability, but at the same time it makes anything he wrote to be entirely useless ... since you can never know if ANY GIVEN POINT is fact or fiction.  Martin almost NEVER spoke plainly, but he always spun around in generalities, rarely giving direct answers to questions ... and regularly contradicting himself.

In any case, however ... this latest book by Marro shows all the signs of just being sheer fabrication on his part.  We've pointed out a couple places already where he claims Fr. Martin told him something completely different than what Fr(?) Coomaraswamy told him about some things.  But Fr(?) Coomaraswamy appeared to be a man of good character who was not known for lying, and that, combined with the question of ... why are all these dramatic revelations coming out ONLY 26 years or so after Fr. Martin's death?  Really?  So of all the people who were known to actually have been close to Fr. Martin, such as Fr(?) Coomaraswamy, he only told all this stuff to Marro, whom almost nobody's actually heard of?  And then he sat on all that information for 26 years?  I think that an investigation of his personal financial situation might be in order, to see if something happened where he suddenly became desperate for a financial windfall.

Other posters above have found other egregious factual errors committed by Marro, who I guess was too lazy to do even a small amount of research so that he wouldn't discredit the entire book.



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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2025, 10:58:49 PM »
While I want to think well of Father Martin, unfortunately, the final verdict is that we simply cannot trust anything he ever said, so at the end of the day, he's made almost no net positive contribution for the benefit of the Church.  I pray for the repose of his soul, and in some ways he seemed like a decent man (to the extent that we can know), but there's much about his that makes it impossible not to suspect him.  He admitted himself that he got a rush out of blackmailing Cardinals and bishop on behalf of his employer, Cardinal Bea, highly suspect of having been a Mason and a crypto-Jew, and of course Fr. Martin specialized in Semitic languages, showing yet another sign of affinity with Jews.  That alone makes it simply impossible to trust him, since no "good guy" or "white hat" would ever engage in such incredibly immoral behavior.  I knew someone in the early 1990s who at one point followed Fr. Martin around on some of his lecture tours, and he told me that he saw Fr. Martin change his presentations to suit whatever audience he was going to speak to, in an obvious and transparent attempt to ingratiate himself with whatever their viewpoint was, so that you'd get a different tone depending on whether he was speaking to R&R / SSPX types, Conciliar Indult types, SVs, or Feeneyites.  Even if he had been 99% truthful ... that 1% suffices to render everything else useless, per that legal principle of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus where if a witness has been found to be untruthful / lying about even a single point, then you can't use any of what he said as evidence, since at that point you just can never know when he's telling the truth and when he's lying, and I'm afraid that's what was the ultimate final verdict on the career of Malachi Martin.