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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2025, 12:21:18 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on December 05, 2025, 11:15:50 AM
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... I can't imagine how someone could know what the third secret says and not publish it

I think I'd be initially torn, wondering whether Our Lady would want someone like me publishing it, and then of course there would be the consideration of would anyone believe me anyway?  I could make something up right now, fabricate some story, and claim I have it ... or if I didn't, then there would be a question of what I saw was in fact the real thing or some forgery, etc.  I'm not sure I would believe anyone.  Even if I knew him to be of the greatest integrity, there would be a question regarding the veracity of his source.  If Fr. Martin had revealed it, given his track record for lots of people questioning his credibility ... what percentage of people would believe his version anyway?  I think you would have to have solid evidence regarding a "chain of custody" to have the necessary credibility.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2025, 12:36:03 PM »
I posted this on X in respose to Lifesite's post about the book and interview with Marro:
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So ... I've got serious problems with his credibility here, either that or of Fr. Martin.  If you see this interview (linked below) with Fr.(?) Coomaraswamy on Art Bell's show, he relates that Fr. Martin told him a completely different story about how he had allegedly read the Third Secret.  According to Coomaraswamy, Fr. Martin told him that he had been riding in a car with John XXIII, when the latter directly gave him the Third Secret, after having sworn him to silence about it.  Now, according to Marro, Fr. Martin said it was Cardinal Bea who gave him the Secret, after having left a meeting behind closed doors during which heating argument could be overheard.  So, which one was it?  Both really can't be true, since if Fr. Martin had already read the Third Secret from John XXIII, he could have just said to Cardinal Bea, "oh, I've alredy seen this, from John XXIII".

We have only a few options here.  Either Fr(?) Coomaraswamy was lying, or Marro is lying, or Fr. Martin was lying, and unable to keep his lies straight.  I don't think Coomaraswamy would lie, as he has always been regarded as a man of high character, even if I don't agree with all his positions.  So in my mind either Marro is making all this up to sell a book, or Fr. Martin was lying.  Now, if this was some story from Fr. Martin, why had he not told this to other people with whom he was close?  Fr. Martin was known to have had a very close relationship with Coomaraswamy, but this is the first time I had heard of Marro, and how is it that he's evidently the ONLY one to whom Fr. Martin would have told this story?  And some of Marro's story seems nonsensical.  Between that and this never having come out over all these many years ... I am highly suspect that this book is largely fictional (like many of Fr. Martin's books) and just a ploy to make money ... and it appears to be working.

How come that nobody in the Traditional movement has ever heard of this Marro character before, or that Fr. Martin had never told some of these stories to anyone else with whom he had been in close association, and that it's just coming out now, many decades later?

It's hard for me to conclude anything other than that Marro made it all up, or made most of it up, in order to make money by seeling his book ... and it appears to be working.
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Offline Yeti

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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2025, 01:08:58 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on December 05, 2025, 12:21:18 PM
I think I'd be initially torn, wondering whether Our Lady would want someone like me publishing it, and then of course there would be the consideration of would anyone believe me anyway?  I could make something up right now, fabricate some story, and claim I have it ... or if I didn't, then there would be a question of what I saw was in fact the real thing or some forgery, etc.  I'm not sure I would believe anyone.  Even if I knew him to be of the greatest integrity, there would be a question regarding the veracity of his source.  If Fr. Martin had revealed it, given his track record for lots of people questioning his credibility ... what percentage of people would believe his version anyway?  I think you would have to have solid evidence regarding a "chain of custody" to have the necessary credibility.
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All of this is true, but if someone had access to the secret and decided to publish it then people could make their own decision as to whether they believe it or not. If I somehow got access to a docuŠ¼ent that I was convinced was the real 3rd secret, I would publish it and explain why I believed it was authentic. In Malachi Martin's case, he could say "I was secretary to a cardinal who had access to the docuŠ¼ent and he showed it to me, and here's what it said." And since people seem to believe most of what comes out of that man's mouth to begin with, a lot of people would probably believe it. But if someone chooses not to reveal what they know, then nobody has an opportunity to learn what it says and decide either way, and then nobody will see what Our Lady wanted them to know anyway.

Even if one of the true popes had revealed its contents, a lot of people would still have been skeptical anyway, and Our Lady certainly accounted for that, but she still wanted it revealed.
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Offline Cera

Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2025, 02:41:06 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on December 05, 2025, 11:15:50 AM
 I can't imagine how someone could know what the third secret says and not publish it.
He was sworn to secrecy, which you would know had you ever listened to him yourself, instead of relying on third-hand misinformation from online posts.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2025, 12:11:24 PM »
Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 06, 2025, 09:45:07 AM
Do you think he was being honest about Martin being a bishop and conditionally ordaining him? Or do you think Martin may have deceived him?

I believe that he's telling us what he believes to have been true, based on what Fr. Martin told him.  Unfortunately, with Father Martin, since he's made a veritable career out of mixing fact with fiction, it's hard to know what's true and what isn't.

I find myself most skeptical of this Marro character.  So, just now, over 25 years after Fr. Martin's death, we're finally hearing about his having been made a Cardinal?  Sounds really fishy.  Has anyone heard of this guy before as having been connected with Fr. Martin?

Fr. Coomaraswamy was known to have been very close with him, and yet Fr. Martin didn't tell HIM about the whole Cardinal thing?  Then Fr. Coomaraswamy told the story he heard from Martin about how the latter had read the Third Secret, directly from John XXIII ... vs. Marro's story about how Cardinal Bea had given it to him.  Which one was it?

Least likely ... Fr(?) Coomaraswamy lied about J23 Third Secret Strory.
Most likely ... Marro is making it all up 25 years after his death to make some money off the book.
In Between ... Fr. Martin was lying about having read the Third Secret and lost track of the lies, telling two contradictory stories.
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