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Online Ladislaus

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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2025, 11:02:54 AM »
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  • Here's the entire content of the post, where I lay out all the details.  Explain where the slander / calumny comes in.  So, had said something along the lines of "Prevost was involved in adultery" and left it that, yes, that would have been slander akin to what you did to Dr. Coomaraswamy.  I actually rescued your ass by immediately providing the necessary followon clarification to your post, so you owe me one.
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    I was listening to Brother Bugnolo and he spilled some good info regarding Prevost, and so I dug into this story and found out to be true

    Prevost's grandather was actuallly one Salvatore Giovanni Riggitano, a Sicilian immigrant.  So why did this Rigatoni change his name?  Simple.  He was in fact having an adulterous affair, and his wife brought legal charges against him, which led to his arrest.  So Rigatoni here fled and tried to evade justice by changing his name, to John (from Giovanni) Prevost.  Prevost was actually the maiden name of the mother of the woman with who he was committing adultery and whom he later "married", this Suzanne Fontaine (Fontaine was her name, that of her father, whiel her mother's maiden name was Prevost).

    Consequently, the very name Prevost was conceived in adultery, and then the subsequent Prevost line derives from adultery.

    How interesting it is that one of Bergoglio's first "Magisterial" heresies was in fact Amoris Laetitia, the justification of adultery.

    Brother Bugnolo also explained that Prevosts were tied to Chicago mafia, including Marcinkus.  Prevost also has publicly praised Bernardin even while actual Catholics avoid mention of his name due to his sordid predations on young seminarians (in Satanic contexts) ... and then went into Prevost's extensive record of having covered up sɛҳuąƖ predation throughout his career.

    Bugnolo predicted an American, likely Prevost, before the Nonclave ... because it's actually American Catholics who are trying to keep the Vatican afloat financially (their finances are evidently a total disaster) ... so the hope was that they get some money from America if they put Prevost out there.

    Bugnolo also says that Prevost was chosen right after Alex Soros visited Bergoglio ... suggesting that Soros told him who the next pope would be.

    While not all of it can be verified, it does sound rather plausible, and the whole Riggitano -> Prevost (adultery) angle can be and has been verified.


    Online Ladislaus

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #16 on: December 05, 2025, 11:05:28 AM »
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  • I haven't listened to this, but here's an interview of Fr(?) Dr Coomaraswamy on Art Bell, specifically regarding his relationship with Fr. Martin, that sounds like it might be interesting.


    Online Ladislaus

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #17 on: December 05, 2025, 11:07:10 AM »
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  • No, there is evidence that Rama clung to his father's Traditionalism (see above).
    Still waiting for the evidence that Rama is linked to Crowley.  There's stuff up there about Hinduism, UFOs, etc. -- as well as some suggestions of not believing in EENS and religious indifferentism, something that plagues the vast majority of Trad Catholics in general.

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #18 on: December 05, 2025, 11:15:50 AM »
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  • So, not publishing the Third Secret I can understand, if of course it's true at all.  I do believe it's been verified that Martin was a secretary for Cardinal Bea, and the story is that Bea let him read the Secret. 



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    Of course I don't believe his claim to have read it, since there is no evidence he ever did, and being a cardinal's secretary is not evidence of having read the third secret, but in any case I can't imagine how someone could know what the third secret says and not publish it. Our Lady was very clear that she wanted the whole world to know what it contained, and know it before 1960, so if someone knew what the secret said and refused to do what Our Lady wanted, he would be going against Our Lady's expressed wish. If Our Lady wants something known, it doesn't matter who is against its being known.


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    At this point, I just don't know how much is true, how much BS, whether Martin was a bad guy or a good guy, or a bad guy converted into a good guy, or just a total fraud like Moran, where he was a nobody who knew next to nothing but then made a grifting career out of telling stories.

    Well, given all the lies he told, I think it's pretty clear he was a pretty horrible person.

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #19 on: December 05, 2025, 12:17:27 PM »
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  • I haven't listened to this, but here's an interview of Fr(?) Dr Coomaraswamy on Art Bell, specifically regarding his relationship with Fr. Martin, that sounds like it might be interesting.

    Welp ... within the first few minutes we have a direct contradiction.

    Fr(?) Coomaraswamy says that Fr. Martin told him the story of how he read the Third Secret.  He said he was riding in a car with "Pope" [sic] John XXIII when Roncalli just out of nowhere apparently handed him the Third Secret and made him swear never to reveal it.

    But now we have this Marro guy relating an entirely different story, where it was Bea that gave him the Third Secret to read after leaving a meeting where he could overhear some shouting and yelling, and then Bea swore him to secrecy.

    So ... which one was it?

    Either Fr(?) Coomaraswamy was lying (I'd say not, as he would have better character than to do this ... and he could make up all kinds of stuff if he wanted to, to spice it up, and yet his stories about Fr. Martin are pretty ho-hum), or else Marro is making it up (to sell a book) or else Fr. Martin was lying, having in fact related both stories but unable to keep the lies straight.


    Online Ladislaus

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #20 on: December 05, 2025, 12:21:18 PM »
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    ... I can't imagine how someone could know what the third secret says and not publish it

    I think I'd be initially torn, wondering whether Our Lady would want someone like me publishing it, and then of course there would be the consideration of would anyone believe me anyway?  I could make something up right now, fabricate some story, and claim I have it ... or if I didn't, then there would be a question of what I saw was in fact the real thing or some forgery, etc.  I'm not sure I would believe anyone.  Even if I knew him to be of the greatest integrity, there would be a question regarding the veracity of his source.  If Fr. Martin had revealed it, given his track record for lots of people questioning his credibility ... what percentage of people would believe his version anyway?  I think you would have to have solid evidence regarding a "chain of custody" to have the necessary credibility.

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #21 on: December 05, 2025, 12:36:03 PM »
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  • I posted this on X in respose to Lifesite's post about the book and interview with Marro:
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    So ... I've got serious problems with his credibility here, either that or of Fr. Martin.  If you see this interview (linked below) with Fr.(?) Coomaraswamy on Art Bell's show, he relates that Fr. Martin told him a completely different story about how he had allegedly read the Third Secret.  According to Coomaraswamy, Fr. Martin told him that he had been riding in a car with John XXIII, when the latter directly gave him the Third Secret, after having sworn him to silence about it.  Now, according to Marro, Fr. Martin said it was Cardinal Bea who gave him the Secret, after having left a meeting behind closed doors during which heating argument could be overheard.  So, which one was it?  Both really can't be true, since if Fr. Martin had already read the Third Secret from John XXIII, he could have just said to Cardinal Bea, "oh, I've alredy seen this, from John XXIII".

    We have only a few options here.  Either Fr(?) Coomaraswamy was lying, or Marro is lying, or Fr. Martin was lying, and unable to keep his lies straight.  I don't think Coomaraswamy would lie, as he has always been regarded as a man of high character, even if I don't agree with all his positions.  So in my mind either Marro is making all this up to sell a book, or Fr. Martin was lying.  Now, if this was some story from Fr. Martin, why had he not told this to other people with whom he was close?  Fr. Martin was known to have had a very close relationship with Coomaraswamy, but this is the first time I had heard of Marro, and how is it that he's evidently the ONLY one to whom Fr. Martin would have told this story?  And some of Marro's story seems nonsensical.  Between that and this never having come out over all these many years ... I am highly suspect that this book is largely fictional (like many of Fr. Martin's books) and just a ploy to make money ... and it appears to be working.

    How come that nobody in the Traditional movement has ever heard of this Marro character before, or that Fr. Martin had never told some of these stories to anyone else with whom he had been in close association, and that it's just coming out now, many decades later?

    It's hard for me to conclude anything other than that Marro made it all up, or made most of it up, in order to make money by seeling his book ... and it appears to be working.

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #22 on: December 05, 2025, 01:08:58 PM »
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  • I think I'd be initially torn, wondering whether Our Lady would want someone like me publishing it, and then of course there would be the consideration of would anyone believe me anyway?  I could make something up right now, fabricate some story, and claim I have it ... or if I didn't, then there would be a question of what I saw was in fact the real thing or some forgery, etc.  I'm not sure I would believe anyone.  Even if I knew him to be of the greatest integrity, there would be a question regarding the veracity of his source.  If Fr. Martin had revealed it, given his track record for lots of people questioning his credibility ... what percentage of people would believe his version anyway?  I think you would have to have solid evidence regarding a "chain of custody" to have the necessary credibility.
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    All of this is true, but if someone had access to the secret and decided to publish it then people could make their own decision as to whether they believe it or not. If I somehow got access to a docuмent that I was convinced was the real 3rd secret, I would publish it and explain why I believed it was authentic. In Malachi Martin's case, he could say "I was secretary to a cardinal who had access to the docuмent and he showed it to me, and here's what it said." And since people seem to believe most of what comes out of that man's mouth to begin with, a lot of people would probably believe it. But if someone chooses not to reveal what they know, then nobody has an opportunity to learn what it says and decide either way, and then nobody will see what Our Lady wanted them to know anyway.

    Even if one of the true popes had revealed its contents, a lot of people would still have been skeptical anyway, and Our Lady certainly accounted for that, but she still wanted it revealed.


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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #23 on: December 05, 2025, 02:41:06 PM »
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  •  I can't imagine how someone could know what the third secret says and not publish it.
    He was sworn to secrecy, which you would know had you ever listened to him yourself, instead of relying on third-hand misinformation from online posts.
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #24 on: December 06, 2025, 12:11:24 PM »
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  • Do you think he was being honest about Martin being a bishop and conditionally ordaining him? Or do you think Martin may have deceived him?

    I believe that he's telling us what he believes to have been true, based on what Fr. Martin told him.  Unfortunately, with Father Martin, since he's made a veritable career out of mixing fact with fiction, it's hard to know what's true and what isn't.

    I find myself most skeptical of this Marro character.  So, just now, over 25 years after Fr. Martin's death, we're finally hearing about his having been made a Cardinal?  Sounds really fishy.  Has anyone heard of this guy before as having been connected with Fr. Martin?

    Fr. Coomaraswamy was known to have been very close with him, and yet Fr. Martin didn't tell HIM about the whole Cardinal thing?  Then Fr. Coomaraswamy told the story he heard from Martin about how the latter had read the Third Secret, directly from John XXIII ... vs. Marro's story about how Cardinal Bea had given it to him.  Which one was it?

    Least likely ... Fr(?) Coomaraswamy lied about J23 Third Secret Strory.
    Most likely ... Marro is making it all up 25 years after his death to make some money off the book.
    In Between ... Fr. Martin was lying about having read the Third Secret and lost track of the lies, telling two contradictory stories.

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #25 on: December 07, 2025, 04:32:01 PM »
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  • Do you have any evidence to substantiate that second charge?  Otherwise, it would constitute calumny. 
    That's pretty funny coming from Lad.
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #26 on: December 07, 2025, 04:38:15 PM »
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  • with Father Martin, since he's made a veritable career out of mixing fact with fiction, it's hard to know what's true and what isn't.
    Oh please. "Veritable career"? Malachi Martin wrote one book which, for health reasons no doubt, he choose to label as fiction as high Vatican hierarchy were called out. It is well-known that Malachi Martin had circulated a paper with a list of the real enemy hierarchy along with their fictionalized names. 

    That is not a "veritalbe career out of mixing fact with fiction." 

    Please stop engaging in calumny and if you just can't help yourself, at least tone down accusing others of what you are doing.
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #27 on: December 07, 2025, 09:06:52 PM »
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  • I posted this on X in respose to Lifesite's post about the book and interview with Marro:
    How come that nobody in the Traditional movement has ever heard of this Marro character before, or that Fr. Martin had never told some of these stories to anyone else with whom he had been in close association, and that it's just coming out now, many decades later?

    It's hard for me to conclude anything other than that Marro made it all up, or made most of it up, in order to make money by seeling his book ... and it appears to be working.
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    Yes, the whole thing is obviously just a big dog-and-pony show, for the reasons you explained. So many trads are so gullible that I would almost sell them magic beans that will grow a beanstock in their backyard high enough to reach a giant's castle in the clouds, but I'm an honest person, so I won't. :laugh1:

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #28 on: December 07, 2025, 09:08:38 PM »
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  • He was sworn to secrecy, which you would know had you ever listened to him yourself, instead of relying on third-hand misinformation from online posts.
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    A promise of secrecy is not binding if it will be the cause of grave spiritual and possibly physical harm to millions and millions of people. This is common sense.

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #29 on: December 07, 2025, 11:54:19 PM »
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  • There's so much strange things about Fr. Malachi Martin that even if he was alive, giving interviews and writing books himself, I would believe none of it without solid evidence.

    I can understand conservatives giving him attention, but not Traditionalists, who should know better.