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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2025, 08:12:28 AM »
I understand the need for clandestine Bishops, especially behind the Iron Curtain during the Cold war, but what actually is the point of a clandestine Cardinal? Especially one from the UK or America? 
It's just a titled office to elect the Pope.

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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2025, 08:15:59 AM »
BTW, there's a serious issue with the orders of +(?)Lopez-Gaston.  He had in fact been ordained to the priesthood by +Carmona, but then he was consecrated by one of the Duarte-Costa bishops (doubtful) and then conditionally consecrated by this +(?)Roux guy who claims to have been consecrated by +Thuc, but many people have asserted that +(?)Roux was a fraud and had never been consecrated by +Thuc, and I think they had some good evidence for that.


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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2025, 08:17:41 AM »
I understand the need for clandestine Bishops, especially behind the Iron Curtain during the Cold war, but what actually is the point of a clandestine Cardinal? Especially one from the UK or America?
It's just a titled office to elect the Pope.

I COULD see that, where, let's say a Pope Pius XII somehow got wind of the fact that they were planning on installing an Anti-Pope, or he received some private revelation, where he might create secret Cardinals.  But I doubt that actually happened.

There is such a thing as a Cardinal "in pectore", where somtimes the Popes would create Cardinals but not publicly announce it, and the reason sometimes was because they were behind the Iron Curtain.

Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2025, 08:34:23 AM »
I did post the Maurice Pinay archive on Malachi Martin in the comments under this new Lifesite video yesterday- but it wasn't there when I looked today.

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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2025, 10:15:07 AM »
But, this does make me question Dr. Coomaraswami's grasp of Sacramental theology here, when he states that he received the graces of ordination from a "double source".  No, if the first one was valid, the second one did not confer the grace of Orders, or vice versa.  And the conditional is a very simplified form of the Rite, so one couldn't say it's because of the other parts of the Rite.

In Picture 2 above, he does appear rather clearly to be touching his head.

So, my issues have nothing to do with his being marriged, or the +Thuc line in general ... but with +Lopez-Gaston, having derived episcopal consecration from a Duarte-Costa bishop and then conditionally from +Roux, the latter's consecration by +Thuc having been contested by quite a few people.  Then of course we have very little evidence that Martin was actually a bishop.

I suppose one COULD say that Martin did not want it known that he was a bishop, and that's why +Lopez-Gaston did the consecration, but then after the consecration decided to step in, since conditionals are generally somewhat low-key.