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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2025, 01:16:45 PM »
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  • There's so much strange things about Fr. Malachi Martin that even if he was alive, giving interviews and writing books himself, I would believe none of it without solid evidence.

    I can understand conservatives giving him attention, but not Traditionalists, who should know better.
    Please explain "strange things" keeping in mind that the tactics of the enemy include creating falsehoods about a person, attacking their character and muddying the water so people throw their hands in the air and give up on learning the truth. This is only done to those who are in their way.
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #31 on: December 08, 2025, 02:30:36 PM »
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  • Please explain "strange things" keeping in mind that the tactics of the enemy include creating falsehoods about a person, attacking their character and muddying the water so people throw their hands in the air and give up on learning the truth. This is only done to those who are in their way.

    I have even read an article that showed that he received money from some Jєωιѕн organizations. It was on this board, if I am not mistaken.


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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #32 on: December 12, 2025, 04:07:29 PM »
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  • Laramie Hirsch found something interesting:

    https://theweltgeist.substack.com/p/fr-malachi-martin-i-want-to-believe

    But it is even worse than what Laramie found.

    Rob Marro says  [Malachi Martin: In the Shadows of the Vatican, pgs 40-41]:


    "...[Martin] was consecrated five months earlier as a secret bishop of the Roman Catholic Church by Bishop Domenico Tardini, the Vatican Pro-Secretary of State for Extraordinary Ecclesiastical Affairs, with the express approval of Pope Pius XII. After the brief ceremony in Rome’s Church of the Twelve Holy Apostles, or Santi apostoli as the Italian locals called it, Bishop Tardini, and two weeks later, Pope Pius XII himself, gave the newly consecrated episcopus in pectore, or secret bishop, a direct, almost perfunctory briefing of the situation that awaited the New Bishop Malachi Martin, SJ.

    But here is the information on Tardini on Catholic-hierarchy.org:

    https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/btardini.html

    Note that Tardini was not even consecrated a bishop until 14 December 1958. And look who Tardini's principal Consecrator was: Pope John XXIII.

    So, Tardini's own consecration took place after the death of Pope Pius XII in October 1958. Therefore, a dead Pope Pius XII could not have given Martin a "perfunctory briefing of the situation that awaited the New Bishop Malachi Martin, SJ."

    Clearly the events described do not correspond to the facts. How did the publisher's fact-checkers missed this?

    This guy Marro is ex-CIA. He admits that. I wouldn't believe anything he says without independent confirmation.

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #33 on: December 12, 2025, 10:55:13 PM »
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  • Oh please. "Veritable career"? Malachi Martin wrote one book which, for health reasons no doubt, he choose to label as fiction as high Vatican hierarchy were called out. It is well-known that Malachi Martin had circulated a paper with a list of the real enemy hierarchy along with their fictionalized names.

    That is not a "veritalbe career out of mixing fact with fiction."

    Please stop engaging in calumny and if you just can't help yourself, at least tone down accusing others of what you are doing.

    You are borderline delusional when you have become emotionally attached to someone or something, like you did and continue to be with Trump.

    Martin himself characterized the style of his own novels as "faction", which by definition is mixing fact with fiction ...
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    We are talking about real events and real people masked in the form of a novel; nowadays it is called faction …

    As for a "veritable career", that's absolutely true as Martin made most of his money and got most of his notoriety from writing his faction novels, and there were close to a dozen of them, not just ONE.  You're the one who's a liar and there's nothing of calumny in anything I said.

    Every single one of the following was written in that faction style, where you had fake names, but the various individuals bore striking resemblances at times to some real historical figures.  When you see the disclaimers nowadays in movies that "any resemblance to real people was not intentional" ... well, Martin's resemblances were absolutely intentional.

    Windswept House
    Hostage to the Devil
    The Jesuits
    The Keys of this Blood
    The Final Conclave
    The Vatican

    But the problem there is that because there's a blend, that gives him plausible deniability, but at the same time it makes anything he wrote to be entirely useless ... since you can never know if ANY GIVEN POINT is fact or fiction.  Martin almost NEVER spoke plainly, but he always spun around in generalities, rarely giving direct answers to questions ... and regularly contradicting himself.

    In any case, however ... this latest book by Marro shows all the signs of just being sheer fabrication on his part.  We've pointed out a couple places already where he claims Fr. Martin told him something completely different than what Fr(?) Coomaraswamy told him about some things.  But Fr(?) Coomaraswamy appeared to be a man of good character who was not known for lying, and that, combined with the question of ... why are all these dramatic revelations coming out ONLY 26 years or so after Fr. Martin's death?  Really?  So of all the people who were known to actually have been close to Fr. Martin, such as Fr(?) Coomaraswamy, he only told all this stuff to Marro, whom almost nobody's actually heard of?  And then he sat on all that information for 26 years?  I think that an investigation of his personal financial situation might be in order, to see if something happened where he suddenly became desperate for a financial windfall.

    Other posters above have found other egregious factual errors committed by Marro, who I guess was too lazy to do even a small amount of research so that he wouldn't discredit the entire book.



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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #34 on: December 12, 2025, 10:58:49 PM »
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  • While I want to think well of Father Martin, unfortunately, the final verdict is that we simply cannot trust anything he ever said, so at the end of the day, he's made almost no net positive contribution for the benefit of the Church.  I pray for the repose of his soul, and in some ways he seemed like a decent man (to the extent that we can know), but there's much about his that makes it impossible not to suspect him.  He admitted himself that he got a rush out of blackmailing Cardinals and bishop on behalf of his employer, Cardinal Bea, highly suspect of having been a Mason and a crypto-Jew, and of course Fr. Martin specialized in Semitic languages, showing yet another sign of affinity with Jews.  That alone makes it simply impossible to trust him, since no "good guy" or "white hat" would ever engage in such incredibly immoral behavior.  I knew someone in the early 1990s who at one point followed Fr. Martin around on some of his lecture tours, and he told me that he saw Fr. Martin change his presentations to suit whatever audience he was going to speak to, in an obvious and transparent attempt to ingratiate himself with whatever their viewpoint was, so that you'd get a different tone depending on whether he was speaking to R&R / SSPX types, Conciliar Indult types, SVs, or Feeneyites.  Even if he had been 99% truthful ... that 1% suffices to render everything else useless, per that legal principle of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus where if a witness has been found to be untruthful / lying about even a single point, then you can't use any of what he said as evidence, since at that point you just can never know when he's telling the truth and when he's lying, and I'm afraid that's what was the ultimate final verdict on the career of Malachi Martin.


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    Malachi Martin a Modernist & controlled opposition
    « Reply #35 on: December 14, 2025, 08:59:12 PM »
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  • Malachi Martin was a peritus at Vatican II of judaizing Cdl. Bea, supposedly he worked with (sedeprivationist) Bishop Robert Mckenna, O.P. (✝2015) on exorcisms (source: Slaves of Satan ch. 6), and praised Hans Urs von Balthasar!
    Quote from: Malachi Martin letter to Wolfgang Smith, March 23, 1998
    Hans Urs von Balthasar was probably the biggest theological thinker emerging from the Society of Jesus in the 20th century. [!!!] […]
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    The dominant school of theology in the Roman Catholic Church today holds that the supernatural is received in the human soul connaturally; the human soul is in potency to be supernaturalized. For, the clever modernist [sic! This is a Thomistic axiom!] argument runs: quidquid recipitur, ad modum recipientis recipitur. If I can receive supernatural grace, that “can” implies a potency in me for the supernatural. But if I have a natural potency for the supernatural, I have—in my human nature—some supernatural element. QED. That is why a phenomenologic-ontological analysis of the religious sense by John Paul II concludes that every human being, by the very fact of being conceived—yes, even as a zygote clinging to the endometrial wall of its mother—is already united with Christ, is already living a supernatural life [cf. Redemptor Hominis].
    source: In Quest of Catholicity: Malachi Martin Responds to Wolfgang Smith
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #36 on: December 15, 2025, 07:19:18 PM »
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  • Book has been out for a couple weeks now.  23 reviews at Amazon.  Who here has read it?

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #37 on: December 16, 2025, 07:54:16 PM »
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  • A book should be written exposing Malachi Martin's Marrano priesthood.

    Gary Giuffre' had many exchanges with Martin, including a deadly encounter where Martin threatened Giuffre' if he continued to publicly pursue Cardinal Siri's cancelled papal election.

     A week or so after a 1980's Siri conference in Cincinnati where wealthy trad backers wanted to go public with the invalidated 1958 Conclave, Giuffre' told Malachi Martin who was clearly agitated by the news.
     
    Three days later, Martin contacted Giuffre' 
    to advise him Cardinal Siri was dead and in so many words, threatened him not to pursue the story.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #38 on: December 16, 2025, 10:31:27 PM »
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  • Book has been out for a couple weeks now.  23 reviews at Amazon.  Who here has read it?

    I was under the impression that Martin matured and moved away from the Judaized aspects of the Jesuits, abandoning them, and then he wrote The Keys of this Blood. Am I wrong in this?

    I do not think that people are static, unchanging, developing creatures. I do not think that "old" Malachi Martin is the same as was the "young" Malachi Martin.
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #39 on: December 16, 2025, 11:17:34 PM »
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  • I was under the impression that Martin matured and moved away from the Judaized aspects of the Jesuits, abandoning them, and then he wrote The Keys of this Blood. Am I wrong in this?

    I do not think that people are static, unchanging, developing creatures. I do not think that "old" Malachi Martin is the same as was the "young" Malachi Martin.

    Maybe, maybe not.  That's precisely the problem with someone who blends fact with fiction, change stories, and contradicts himself, no?

    If he was some evil guy working for Bea who by his own admission got a rush out of blackmailing Cardinals ... does a person like that truly see the light unless he has an almost literaly "Road to Damascus" episode ... except that Fr. Martin recounts no such incident.

    If someone was a deliberate agent of the Jews and Masons blackmailing Cardinals, how does anyone  simply take his word for it that he had changed?  He could be lying and that what he was doing now was part of his operation, to sow confusion and doubt.

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #40 on: December 16, 2025, 11:20:49 PM »
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  • A book should be written exposing Malachi Martin's Marrano priesthood.

    Gary Giuffre' had many exchanges with Martin, including a deadly encounter where Martin threatened Giuffre' if he continued to publicly pursue Cardinal Siri's cancelled papal election.

    A week or so after a 1980's Siri conference in Cincinnati where wealthy trad backers wanted to go public with the invalidated 1958 Conclave, Giuffre' told Malachi Martin who was clearly agitated by the news.
     
    Three days later, Martin contacted Giuffre'
    to advise him Cardinal Siri was dead and in so many words, threatened him not to pursue the story.

    So ... I almost forgot about that one, but Gary Giuffre is a very honest man and he would not make something like this up.  There are one or two details about the story where it may have been his interpreation, such as where he claims Fr. Martin wrote something in one of his books to deliberately cast doubt on the Siri Theory by subtly changing it.  That one detail I'm not sure about, since Fr. Martin could have just included a version of the story in his just because he thought it would heighten interest and sell more copies ... and if he changed it slightly, he constantly did that as a matter of course.  But the phone call thing, and there was some death related to docuмent that he was going to receive from someone in France, if I recall.

    But, overall, if Gary Giuffre said that something happened, then he's a very honest man, would not lie ... so long as you keep in mind what he's relating as fact and what he might be putting an interpretatio on.  I can't quite recall the details of the phone call and the death ... but it was in fact striking.


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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #41 on: December 17, 2025, 07:27:58 AM »
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  • I'll fish out the Giuffre' presentation on Martin.
    It's fascinating.  Early on in his " Siri Theory" research Giuffre' was advised to seek out Martin for advise. 

      Giuffre' made contact and went to Martin's Manhattan apartment totally naive as to what Martin was all about.  He met Martin's concubine. There was no effort to conceal her.

    In the meeting Martin was visibly agitated and he assumed Giuffre' was the front man for a bigger investigative operation.  Giuffre' was unaware at the time. he had walked into the Marrano's lair.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #42 on: December 17, 2025, 09:48:58 AM »
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  • Martin was a high placed asset for the Revolution.  He had a great cover being a Jesuit.

    Then of course the "story" of his dispensation of his priestly duties by the Jєωιѕн ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Luciferian Pope. Paul VI.

    But when you step back and view his book writing and media activities, he was instrumental in misdirecting the faithful.

    He morphed from being a liberal to a trad.
    He attained credibility and noteriety with his trad Catholic knowledge and exorcism schtick.

    He was effective in making Catholics believe the great jew Judaizer, JPII was authentic.

    And he guarded against anyone getting too close to the truth, such as the hijacked Conclave of 1958.

    Gary Giuffre' had met Kakia when he first visited Martin's Manhattan apartment.

    As the Blacks say. she was his "steady squeeze"

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #43 on: December 17, 2025, 02:43:24 PM »
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  • So ... I almost forgot about that one, but Gary Giuffre is a very honest man and he would not make something like this up.  There are one or two details about the story where it may have been his interpreation, such as where he claims Fr. Martin wrote something in one of his books to deliberately cast doubt on the Siri Theory by subtly changing it.  That one detail I'm not sure about, since Fr. Martin could have just included a version of the story in his just because he thought it would heighten interest and sell more copies ... and if he changed it slightly, he constantly did that as a matter of course.  But the phone call thing, and there was some death related to docuмent that he was going to receive from someone in France, if I recall.

    But, overall, if Gary Giuffre said that something happened, then he's a very honest man, would not lie ... so long as you keep in mind what he's relating as fact and what he might be putting an interpretatio on.  I can't quite recall the details of the phone call and the death ... but it was in fact striking.
    This is my favorite version of Lad: thoughtful, balanced, open. Thank you!
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #44 on: December 17, 2025, 03:12:17 PM »
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  •   Giuffre' made contact and went to Martin's Manhattan apartment totally naive as to what Martin was all about.  He met Martin's concubine. There was no effort to conceal her.
    According to this video with the author, Martin's landlords were a husband and wife. He had a small room in their spacious home. I have read this from other sources as well. This explains why "no effort was made to conceal". The word "concubine" has no basis in fact, only in the fevered imagination of Gary Giuffre.


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