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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: New Malachi Martin Book
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2025, 10:25:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 05, 2025, 10:24:50 AM
    There is a link between Rama Coomaraswamy, Martin, and "The Nine".

    There is a link between Coomaraswamy and "The Beast".

    Do you have any evidence to substantiate that second charge?  Otherwise, it would constitute calumny.  I've seen no evidence that Dr. Rama had any link whatsoever, and the fact that you don't distinguish here with this comment between him and his father slanders him.
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #16 on: December 05, 2025, 10:35:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 05, 2025, 10:25:53 AM
    Do you have any evidence to substantiate that charge?  Otherwise, it would constitute calumny.
    No.

    Saying there is a link between them is not calumny.

    The link between "the Beast" and Coomaraswamy is his father Ananda who was a founding father of Tradtionalism.

    I did distinguish I said, "There is a link between Coomaraswamy and "The Beast". You have poor reading comprehension skills.



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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #17 on: December 05, 2025, 10:36:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 05, 2025, 10:35:05 AM
    No.

    Saying there is a link between them is not calumny.

    The link between "the Beast" and Coomaraswamy is his father Ananda who was a founding father of Tradtionalism.

    Yeah, it really is.  Unless you can substantiate that Rama himself has some connection, then the vague statement constitutes calumny.  If you specified that his Father had, that would be one thing, but without that clarification, a reader would be left with the impression that he himself had been involved.  Lots of people have had parents engaged in bad things that they should not be smeared with.  If someone's parent committed adultery, you can's say stuff like "he's linked with adultery", since that would leave a reader wondering about the individual's virtue.  You can perhaps say that if you immediately followed with the details, i.e. that it was his parent, not him.
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #18 on: December 05, 2025, 10:44:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 05, 2025, 10:36:30 AM
     If someone's parent committed adultery, you can's say stuff like "he's linked with adultery", since that would leave a reader wondering about the individual's virtue.
    How ironic that you condemn yourself out of your own mouth :laugh1:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/prevost-thy-name-is-adultery/
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #19 on: December 05, 2025, 11:00:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 05, 2025, 10:44:42 AM
    How ironic that you condemn yourself out of your own mouth :laugh1:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/prevost-thy-name-is-adultery/

    So, either you're such a moron that you don't see where I specifically laid out all the details, or just so desperate to justify your calumny and slander, ignoring the fact that I substantiated my charge that his NAME (his last name is fake) and was invented to cover up the adulter of his grandparent, not that he committed adultery himself.  Comparing apples to oranges.  Had you said that Rama Coomaraswamy's FATHER had ties to Crowley, that would have been fine.  You calumny lay in the implication that he had some direct link, since you failed to specify or give any details.
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #20 on: December 05, 2025, 11:02:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 05, 2025, 10:36:30 AM

    can substantiate that Rama himself has some connection,
    Ananda was linked to the Beast through Tradtionalism/esotercism and sex magik.

    Rama made some telling revelations in a 2003 interview:

    https://www.svabhinava.org/friends/JoaquinAlbaicin/RamaCoom-english-frame.php

    In his letters, your father gave to you indications regarding how to become a full member of the Hindu tradition. How was that belonging to a Brahman family did you finally embraced the Christian path instead of the Hindu one?

    >      I grew up in Haridwar, one of the Holy Cities of India, and lived for years during my youth as an orthodox Hindu. Having been invested with the yaj�opavita or sacred tread, I can state that since the Hindu view point I am a dvija or a "twice born". But after my father's death I returned to America, where my mother was essentially alone. As it was impossible for me to live as a Hindu in America at that time, and as living without any traditional affiliation was in my mind to live on an animal level, I entered Catholicism which I found completely compatible with my Hindu outlook.

        How do your remember your father?

    >      I remember my father as a most saintly man an learn from him every day.

    Does the traditional Catholic Church share the same view of the Roman one about the "obligation" of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and so on to become converted to Christendom?

    >      This requires a complex answer which takes in consideration the problem of invincible ignorance and the matter of salvation outside of the Church, which is always possible, but only through the graces that come from the Divine Word or Logos.


    Some religious authorities (Orthodox priest Seraphim Rose) and authors attached to Philosophia Perennis (Charles Upton) uphold the theory of UFOs as demons. Do you share this view?

    >      While I like Seraphim Rose's writings, I think it unfortunate that he didn't really understand Gu�non or my father. I am rather inclined to agree with Charles Upton about UFOs.

      Yoga practiced by Christian priests. Helpful tool or dangerous deviation?

    >      I discuss this in one of the papers on my web page. I think priests getting involved with yoga are being silly.


    One who believes in Traditionalism must belong to a core "tradtional" religion. Rama admits that he initially chose Catholicism, because it was one of the "traditional" religions that was "completely compatible with my Hindu outlook." He thinks of his pagan Father who dabbled in sex magik with "The Beast" as a "most saintly man". He stated that salvation outside the Church is always possible. He liked the writings of an Orthodox heretic (Rose). He thought priests who practiced yoga (a Hindu SPIRITUAL practice) were only "being silly" not messing around with paganism.

    These are all the statements of a man that has Tradtionalism as his faith NOT Catholicism.

    From what I could tell, he was buried with a "Mass of Dead" in the Novus Ordo (ironic for him).
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #21 on: December 05, 2025, 11:02:54 AM »
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    • Here's the entire content of the post, where I lay out all the details.  Explain where the slander / calumny comes in.  So, had said something along the lines of "Prevost was involved in adultery" and left it that, yes, that would have been slander akin to what you did to Dr. Coomaraswamy.  I actually rescued your ass by immediately providing the necessary followon clarification to your post, so you owe me one.
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    I was listening to Brother Bugnolo and he spilled some good info regarding Prevost, and so I dug into this story and found out to be true

    Prevost's grandather was actuallly one Salvatore Giovanni Riggitano, a Sicilian immigrant.  So why did this Rigatoni change his name?  Simple.  He was in fact having an adulterous affair, and his wife brought legal charges against him, which led to his arrest.  So Rigatoni here fled and tried to evade justice by changing his name, to John (from Giovanni) Prevost.  Prevost was actually the maiden name of the mother of the woman with who he was committing adultery and whom he later "married", this Suzanne Fontaine (Fontaine was her name, that of her father, whiel her mother's maiden name was Prevost).

    Consequently, the very name Prevost was conceived in adultery, and then the subsequent Prevost line derives from adultery.

    How interesting it is that one of Bergoglio's first "Magisterial" heresies was in fact Amoris Laetitia, the justification of adultery.

    Brother Bugnolo also explained that Prevosts were tied to Chicago mafia, including Marcinkus.  Prevost also has publicly praised Bernardin even while actual Catholics avoid mention of his name due to his sordid predations on young seminarians (in Satanic contexts) ... and then went into Prevost's extensive record of having covered up sɛҳuąƖ predation throughout his career.

    Bugnolo predicted an American, likely Prevost, before the Nonclave ... because it's actually American Catholics who are trying to keep the Vatican afloat financially (their finances are evidently a total disaster) ... so the hope was that they get some money from America if they put Prevost out there.

    Bugnolo also says that Prevost was chosen right after Alex Soros visited Bergoglio ... suggesting that Soros told him who the next pope would be.

    While not all of it can be verified, it does sound rather plausible, and the whole Riggitano -> Prevost (adultery) angle can be and has been verified.

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #22 on: December 05, 2025, 11:04:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 05, 2025, 11:02:54 AM
    Here's the entire content of the post, where I lay out all the details.  Explain where the slander / calumny comes in.  So, had said something along the lines of "Prevost was involved in adultery" and left it that, yes, that would have been slander akin to what you did to Dr. Coomaraswamy
    No, there is evidence that Rama clung to his father's Traditionalism (see above).
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #23 on: December 05, 2025, 11:05:28 AM »
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    • I haven't listened to this, but here's an interview of Fr(?) Dr Coomaraswamy on Art Bell, specifically regarding his relationship with Fr. Martin, that sounds like it might be interesting.
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #24 on: December 05, 2025, 11:07:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 05, 2025, 11:04:53 AM
    No, there is evidence that Rama clung to his father's Traditionalism (see above).
    Still waiting for the evidence that Rama is linked to Crowley.  There's stuff up there about Hinduism, UFOs, etc. -- as well as some suggestions of not believing in EENS and religious indifferentism, something that plagues the vast majority of Trad Catholics in general.
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #25 on: December 05, 2025, 11:15:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 05, 2025, 08:07:08 AM
    So, not publishing the Third Secret I can understand, if of course it's true at all.  I do believe it's been verified that Martin was a secretary for Cardinal Bea, and the story is that Bea let him read the Secret. 



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    Of course I don't believe his claim to have read it, since there is no evidence he ever did, and being a cardinal's secretary is not evidence of having read the third secret, but in any case I can't imagine how someone could know what the third secret says and not publish it. Our Lady was very clear that she wanted the whole world to know what it contained, and know it before 1960, so if someone knew what the secret said and refused to do what Our Lady wanted, he would be going against Our Lady's expressed wish. If Our Lady wants something known, it doesn't matter who is against its being known.


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    At this point, I just don't know how much is true, how much BS, whether Martin was a bad guy or a good guy, or a bad guy converted into a good guy, or just a total fraud like Moran, where he was a nobody who knew next to nothing but then made a grifting career out of telling stories.

    Well, given all the lies he told, I think it's pretty clear he was a pretty horrible person.
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #26 on: December 05, 2025, 11:30:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 05, 2025, 11:07:10 AM
    Still waiting for the evidence that Rama is linked to Crowley.  There's stuff up there about Hinduism, UFOs, etc. -- as well as some suggestions of not believing in EENS and religious indifferentism
    He appears to have maintained vestiges of his Father's Traditionalism.

    Ananda experimented with Crowley due to his Traditionalism.

    Rama was raised on his Father's erroneous philosophical system (Traditionalism).

    Rama admitted he became Catholic because he needed this link to Traditionalism which was, "completely compatible with Hinduism".

    There is enough of a "link" there to warrant suspicion and warn others.

    The evidence linking Rama to Crowley directly is non-existent and I never claimed it was.

    You rightly pointed out that I needed to clarify. I did.

    But, now you just look foolish because you cannot see that Rama was clearly influenced by his Father's teachings his whole life.

    Those teachings are what drew Ananda and Crowley together - thus the "link".

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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #27 on: December 05, 2025, 11:53:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 05, 2025, 11:00:13 AM
    You calumny lay in the implication that he had some direct link, since you failed to specify or give any details.
    I did not imply a direct link. You read it that way.

    I immediately clarified and provided you will evidences that Rama seems to have clung to the Traditionalism of his father.

    It would be an indirect connection, yet one with very real implications for Rama, because on how such interactions on his Father's part with esoteriscm would have affected his beliefs, which later he passed on to Rama.



    Ananda was a founder of Tradtionalism.

    Crowley became interesting in Ananda because of this.

    Ananda raised Rama to be a Traditionalist.

    Rama seems to have retained his Traditionalism to the later part of his life.

    So, I said, "There is a link between Coomaraswamy and "The Beast".

    That is a 100% factually correct statement.



    I never said Rama was directly linked to Crowley, but he certainly was indirectly linked to him through his Father Ananda who he learned from daily and thought of as, "a most saintly man."

    According to a biography on Crowley,

    "There he befriended Ananda Coomaraswamy and his wife Alice Richardson; Crowley and Richardson performed sex magic in April 1916, following which she became pregnant and then miscarried."

    That is the "link" ;)
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #28 on: December 05, 2025, 12:17:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 05, 2025, 11:05:28 AM
    I haven't listened to this, but here's an interview of Fr(?) Dr Coomaraswamy on Art Bell, specifically regarding his relationship with Fr. Martin, that sounds like it might be interesting.

    Welp ... within the first few minutes we have a direct contradiction.

    Fr(?) Coomaraswamy says that Fr. Martin told him the story of how he read the Third Secret.  He said he was riding in a car with "Pope" [sic] John XXIII when Roncalli just out of nowhere apparently handed him the Third Secret and made him swear never to reveal it.

    But now we have this Marro guy relating an entirely different story, where it was Bea that gave him the Third Secret to read after leaving a meeting where he could overhear some shouting and yelling, and then Bea swore him to secrecy.

    So ... which one was it?

    Either Fr(?) Coomaraswamy was lying (I'd say not, as he would have better character than to do this ... and he could make up all kinds of stuff if he wanted to, to spice it up, and yet his stories about Fr. Martin are pretty ho-hum), or else Marro is making it up (to sell a book) or else Fr. Martin was lying, having in fact related both stories but unable to keep the lies straight.
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    Re: New Malachi Martin Book
    « Reply #29 on: December 05, 2025, 12:21:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on December 05, 2025, 11:15:50 AM
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    ... I can't imagine how someone could know what the third secret says and not publish it

    I think I'd be initially torn, wondering whether Our Lady would want someone like me publishing it, and then of course there would be the consideration of would anyone believe me anyway?  I could make something up right now, fabricate some story, and claim I have it ... or if I didn't, then there would be a question of what I saw was in fact the real thing or some forgery, etc.  I'm not sure I would believe anyone.  Even if I knew him to be of the greatest integrity, there would be a question regarding the veracity of his source.  If Fr. Martin had revealed it, given his track record for lots of people questioning his credibility ... what percentage of people would believe his version anyway?  I think you would have to have solid evidence regarding a "chain of custody" to have the necessary credibility.
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