Author Topic: New Dimond Brothers Video on Francis (Read 4476 times)

TheKnightVigilant · « **on:** February 05, 2014, 06:49:15 PM »

Good stuff

JPaul · « **Reply #1 on:** February 06, 2014, 09:01:06 PM »

While they can be a bit wild at times, in this case, you have to admit he has lined up the facts quite effectively.

Alcuin · « **Reply #2 on:** February 07, 2014, 02:26:25 AM »

Quote from: J.Paul

While they can be a bit wild at times, in this case, you have to admit he has lined up the facts quite effectively.

Yes, the point of video really hits home - Francis does not profess the Catholic Faith.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** February 07, 2014, 04:43:36 AM »

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Who is this Jєω that Francis keeps hugging, like in minute 13:13 - 13:19?

They seem to have a lot of physical attraction to each other, and they're not afraid to show it on camera!!

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** February 07, 2014, 04:49:34 AM »

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Summary of accusations against the Resistance, basically, as well as the SSPX and all non-sedevacantist traditionalists, at 16:00+

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JPaul · « **Reply #5 on:** February 07, 2014, 07:56:14 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

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Who is this Jєω that Francis keeps hugging, like in minute 13:13 - 13:19?

They seem to have a lot of physical attraction to each other, and they're not afraid to show it on camera!!

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True but.......Who am I to judge?.................

JPaul · « **Reply #6 on:** February 07, 2014, 07:59:45 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

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Summary of accusations against the Resistance, basically, as well as the SSPX and all non-sedevacantist traditionalists, at 16:00+

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That is the implication of supporting someone who you know practices a false religion.

ggreg · « **Reply #7 on:** February 07, 2014, 08:40:52 AM »

There is another logical option of course. Unpalatable as it is.

That the Roman Catholic Church is not infallible and never has been.

This also fits with the facts. And explains the last 50 years.

Dimonds case is well argued, but I find it impossible to believe that for 1000s of years, in all non-Christian lands, that 100 percent of people were damned to Hell, because allowing souls to be created with no possibility of being saved until a missionary turns up is against natural justice at least as my rational mind can perceive it. It is not like these primitives had any say in their creation.

To annihilate them like animals, would be just, but to create them just to be damned is the act of a monster. Nothing in the Gospels suggests that God acts this way. People all seem to get a chance, even the good thief.

But those people did not have the Church or the Sacraments, so according to quo primum they are all stoking the coals.

If only Catholics who profess the true faith are getting sanctifying grace from the sacraments, then it should be an absolute no brainer to spot the outward signs of inward grace. The difference between neoCath conservative priests who don't get sanctifying grace, and hard line Trads who do, in terms of their human charity, temperance and all the other cardinal virtues should be as easy to distinguish as night and day.

You would not need a double blind clinical trial, it would be glaringly obvious.

But they are not. Virtuous people can be found in all camps claiming to be Catholic as can utter bastards. Judged by the fruits, it is FAR from obvious which tree is healthier than the other.

JPaul · « **Reply #8 on:** February 07, 2014, 09:25:19 AM »

Quote from: ggreg

There is another logical option of course. Unpalatable as it is.

That the Roman Catholic Church is not infallible and never has been.

This also fits with the facts. And explains the last 50 years.

Dimonds case is well argued, but I find it impossible to believe that for 1000s of years, in all non-Christian lands, that 100 percent of people were damned to Hell, because allowing souls to be created with no possibility of being saved until a missionary turns up is against natural justice at least as my rational mind can perceive it. It is not like these primitives had any say in their creation.

To annihilate them like animals, would be just, but to create them just to be damned is the act of a monster. Nothing in the Gospels suggests that God acts this way. People all seem to get a chance, even the good thief.

But those people did not have the Church or the Sacraments, so according to quo primum they are all stoking the coals.

If only Catholics who profess the true faith are getting sanctifying grace from the sacraments, then it should be an absolute no brainer to spot the outward signs of inward grace. The difference between neoCath conservative priests who don't get sanctifying grace, and hard line Trads who do, in terms of their human charity, temperance and all the other cardinal virtues should be as easy to distinguish as night and day.

You would not need a double blind clinical trial, it would be glaringly obvious.

But they are not. Virtuous people can be found in all camps claiming to be Catholic as can utter bastards. Judged by the fruits, it is FAR from obvious which tree is healthier than the other.

The ways of God are incomprehensible to men and to try and account for all of the millions is trying to circuмvent that fact.
If you doubt the doctrine of exclusive salvation as found in the Catholic Church then you have lost the Faith in God's perfect and infinite attributes of mercy and justice.
The Almighty has given to us the knowledge of what must be done for one's salvation, and as well what happens to those who fail to do these things. It is not for us to know what happens to any given person after death.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #9 on:** February 07, 2014, 09:45:18 AM »

Quote from: ggreg

...but I find it impossible to believe that for 1000s of years, in all non-Christian lands, that 100 percent of people were damned to Hell, because allowing souls to be created with no possibility of being saved until a missionary turns up is against natural justice at least as my rational mind can perceive it. It is not like these primitives had any say in their creation.

You've articulated well the foundational theological principle behind all BoD thinking.

It comes from a false notion of "salvation" and the failure to understand the difference between the natural and the supernatural vis-a-vis salvation.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2014, 10:37:42 AM »

Dimonds do in this video make one of the most effective arguments for sedevacantism that I've heard.

All this nonsense that you hear about the "sincerity" and "niceness" of Francis absolving him from not professing the faith goes nowhere, since we can only judge the external forum, and in the external forum he does not profess the Catholic faith and is therefore not Catholic. Ironically the "sincerity" and "niceness" argument vis-a-vis the popes comes from none other than Bishop Williamson, who has been one of the most outspoken enemies of the "niceness" argument when it comes to objective acceptance of the truth.

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #11 on:** February 07, 2014, 11:34:46 AM »

Quote from: ggreg

There is another logical option of course. Unpalatable as it is.

That the Roman Catholic Church is not infallible and never has been.

This also fits with the facts. And explains the last 50 years.

Dimonds case is well argued, but I find it impossible to believe that for 1000s of years, in all non-Christian lands, that 100 percent of people were damned to Hell, because allowing souls to be created with no possibility of being saved until a missionary turns up is against natural justice at least as my rational mind can perceive it. It is not like these primitives had any say in their creation.

To annihilate them like animals, would be just, but to create them just to be damned is the act of a monster. Nothing in the Gospels suggests that God acts this way. People all seem to get a chance, even the good thief.

But those people did not have the Church or the Sacraments, so according to quo primum they are all stoking the coals.

If only Catholics who profess the true faith are getting sanctifying grace from the sacraments, then it should be an absolute no brainer to spot the outward signs of inward grace. The difference between neoCath conservative priests who don't get sanctifying grace, and hard line Trads who do, in terms of their human charity, temperance and all the other cardinal virtues should be as easy to distinguish as night and day.

You would not need a double blind clinical trial, it would be glaringly obvious.

But they are not. Virtuous people can be found in all camps claiming to be Catholic as can utter bastards. Judged by the fruits, it is FAR from obvious which tree is healthier than the other.

If God is to be subject to our judgements, rather than we subject to his, then we have embraced humanism and practical atheism.

If you deny the necessity of faith and baptism for salvation you deny not only the Church, but the scriptures, and consequently Christ. So, what you are saying here, more accurately, is not that the Church is fallible, but that the Bible is fallible, and that by extension the whole Christian religion is built upon falsehoods. Do you honestly believe that?

andysloan · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2014, 11:43:14 AM »

IMHO there is not enough there to justify a SV stance. One cannot be too careful in this matter. In the same way we are bound to believe what is solemnly defined, therefore, only a solemn abrogation of doctrine or erroneous addition could justify a SV position. And it should be noted, God can still speak the truth through a subverted individual, as we read of Balaam who was a prophet of the demons:

Number 22:12-13

Balaam made answer to Balac: Did I not say to thy messengers, whom thou sentest to me: If Balac would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the word of the Lord my God, to utter any thing of my own head either good or evil: but whatsoever the Lord shall say, that I will speak?

As can be discerned from the undertone, the end summary by Peter Dimond is largely about proving himself right and nailing his opponents rather than a charitable admonition to the faithful.

3 John 1:9-10

"I had written perhaps to the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the pre-eminence among them, doth not receive us. For this cause, if I come, I will advertise his works which he doth, with malicious words prating against us."

"A heretic is one who either devises or follows false and new opinions, for the sake of some temporal profit, especially that he may lord and be honored above others." - St Augustine

soulguard · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2014, 11:55:40 AM »

Good video by the Dimonds.

reconquest · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2014, 03:18:04 PM »

Quote from: ggreg

There is another logical option of course. Unpalatable as it is.

That the Roman Catholic Church is not infallible and never has been.

This also fits with the facts. And explains the last 50 years.

Dimonds case is well argued, but I find it impossible to believe that for 1000s of years, in all non-Christian lands, that 100 percent of people were damned to Hell, because allowing souls to be created with no possibility of being saved until a missionary turns up is against natural justice at least as my rational mind can perceive it. It is not like these primitives had any say in their creation.

To annihilate them like animals, would be just, but to create them just to be damned is the act of a monster. Nothing in the Gospels suggests that God acts this way. People all seem to get a chance, even the good thief.

But those people did not have the Church or the Sacraments, so according to quo primum they are all stoking the coals.

If only Catholics who profess the true faith are getting sanctifying grace from the sacraments, then it should be an absolute no brainer to spot the outward signs of inward grace. The difference between neoCath conservative priests who don't get sanctifying grace, and hard line Trads who do, in terms of their human charity, temperance and all the other cardinal virtues should be as easy to distinguish as night and day.

You would not need a double blind clinical trial, it would be glaringly obvious.

But they are not. Virtuous people can be found in all camps claiming to be Catholic as can utter bastards. Judged by the fruits, it is FAR from obvious which tree is healthier than the other.

UNBAN TELE.