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Offline Cera

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Re: nαzι Ideology
« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2018, 06:00:29 PM »
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  • In her Way of Perfection, Theresa of Avila said that she titles of nobility, bloodlines, and things like that were obstacles to holiness.
    I am interested in finding that part of Way of Perfection, do you know what chapter discusses this? I ask because TFP and TIA seem to be obsessed with the elite, nobility, The Black Nobility and the Knights Templar.
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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #91 on: June 23, 2018, 06:09:36 PM »
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  • This quote from Pope Pius XII on heredity, somewhat related to some of the things discussed on this thread.
    Pope Pius XII is often taken out of historical context by those who have an ax to grind. The Pope was desperate for funds and was writing to the Italian wealthy who considered themselves to be "nobility." He did engage in some flattery of them. This is sometimes wrongly used (for example by Mr. Plinio of TFP) to pretend that his papacy supported bloodlines, nobility and the elite.
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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #92 on: June 23, 2018, 06:36:23 PM »
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  • Pope Pius XII is often taken out of historical context by those who have an ax to grind. The Pope was desperate for funds and was writing to the Italian wealthy who considered themselves to be "nobility." He did engage in some flattery of them. This is sometimes wrongly used (for example by Mr. Plinio of TFP) to pretend that his papacy supported bloodlines, nobility and the elite.
    My intention in linking to the quote was to highlight the fact that race is not unimportant, in light of the constant referencing (often by poche) to Mit Brennender Sorge.

    The specific line I'm thinking of is this one:


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    The nature of this great and mysterious thing that is heredity - the passing on through a bloodline, perpetuated from generation to generation, of a rich ensemble of material and spiritual assets, the continuity of a single physical and moral type from father to son, the tradition that unites members of one same family across the centuries - the true nature of this heredity can undoubtedly be distorted by materialistic theories. But one can, and must also, consider this reality enormously important in the fullness of its human and supernatural truth
    Pope Piux XII could have been addressing a group of Italian peasants with that. It's not important in the context I'm using it that he's speaking to Italian nobles.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #93 on: June 24, 2018, 10:33:20 PM »
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  • Thanks Poche. I went to the lazy readers tool, wikipedia for info on Mit Brennender Sorge and found this:
    Hitler then proceeded to take a mile where he had been given an inch" and closed all Catholic institutions whose functions weren't strictly religious:[22]Following the signing of the docuмent, the formerly outspoken nature of opposition by German Catholic leaders towards the nαzι movement weakened considerably.[23] But violations of the Concordat by the nαzιs began almost immediately and were to continue such that Falconi described the Concordat with Germany as "a complete failure".[24] The Concordat, wrote William Shirer, "was hardly put to paper before it was being broken by the nαzι Government". The nαzιs had promulgated their sterilization law, an offensive policy in the eyes of the Catholic Church, on 14 July. On 30 July, moves began to dissolve the Catholic Youth League. Clergy, nuns and lay leaders were to be targeted, leading to thousands of arrests over the ensuing years, often on trumped-up charges of currency smuggling or "immorality".[25] Historian of the German Resistance Peter Hoffmann wrote that, following the nαzι takeover:[26]
    And this is the man some posters here think was preserving Catholic civilization? 

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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #94 on: June 25, 2018, 02:41:06 AM »
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  • Historian of the German Resistance Peter Hoffmann
    Seriously? German Resistance = Communists. 


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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #95 on: June 25, 2018, 08:33:44 AM »
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  • Seriously? German Resistance = Communists.
    German resistance also = Pope Pius XII

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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #96 on: June 25, 2018, 01:22:55 PM »
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  • My intention in linking to the quote was to highlight the fact that race is not unimportant, in light of the constant referencing (often by poche) to Mit Brennender Sorge.

    The specific line I'm thinking of is this one:

    Pope Piux XII could have been addressing a group of Italian peasants with that. It's not important in the context I'm using it that he's speaking to Italian nobles.
    Thanks, Rum. I was just going off on a tangent.
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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #97 on: June 25, 2018, 08:18:28 PM »
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  • German resistance also = Pope Pius XII
    So by that line of reasoning.....Pius XII=Marxist......
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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #98 on: June 25, 2018, 08:25:13 PM »
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  • And this is the man some posters here think was preserving Catholic civilization?
    William Shirer was a Jew and knowingly admitted to omitting facts from his work, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. His work has long fallen out of favor by historians as new info has been discovered.
    Yes, I do think this man was trying to preserve Catholic civilization. Unlike the Commie clerics in the Church's ranks that eventually triumphed at Vatican II. 
    Your absurd inanities make me question your soundness of mind.
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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #99 on: June 25, 2018, 10:53:23 PM »
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  • So by that line of reasoning.....Pius XII=Marxist......
    No, by that line of reasoning nαzιsm is so evil that its malevolence is recognized by every one. 

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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #100 on: June 25, 2018, 10:56:23 PM »
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  • No, by that line of reasoning nαzιsm is so evil that its malevolence is recognized by every one.
    Says who. And please quote


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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #101 on: June 25, 2018, 10:56:56 PM »
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  • William Shirer was a Jew and knowingly admitted to omitting facts from his work, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. His work has long fallen out of favor by historians as new info has been discovered.
    Yes, I do think this man was trying to preserve Catholic civilization. Unlike the Commie clerics in the Church's ranks that eventually triumphed at Vatican II.
    Your absurd inanities make me question your soundness of mind.
    If Hitler was trying to preserve Catholic civilization then why is it that so many Catholic bishops and priests of teh time were against what he stood for? Why is it that many priests and religious went to jail rather than to allow the Catholic Church to associate itself with him and his philosophy?

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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #102 on: June 25, 2018, 11:14:06 PM »
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  • If Hitler was trying to preserve Catholic civilization then why is it that so many Catholic bishops and priests of teh time were against what he stood for? Why is it that many priests and religious went to jail rather than to allow the Catholic Church to associate itself with him and his philosophy?
    He already told you. They were Leftist clerics already in ascendancy just prior to Vatican II.

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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #103 on: June 25, 2018, 11:14:51 PM »
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  • He already told you. They were Leftist clerics already in ascendancy just prior to Vatican II.
    All this happened before Vatican II.

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    Re: nαzι Ideology
    « Reply #104 on: June 25, 2018, 11:18:13 PM »
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  • All this happened before Vatican II.
    So every bishop/priest was 100% orthodox prior to Vatican II?? What time and date exactly??