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Offline Klaus

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    nαzι depiction of Ven. Pius XII as ally of Jєωs Communists
    « Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 06:38:32 PM »
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  • An anti-Catholic cartoon used by the nαzιs for electoral purposes:



    Offline Klaus

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    « Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 06:41:06 PM »
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  • More in a similar vein, this time from a nαzι satirical organ:


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    nαzι depiction of Ven. Pius XII as ally of Jєωs Communists
    « Reply #3 on: May 22, 2012, 06:50:33 PM »
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  • TITLE:

    "Unfruitful"

    CAPTION:

    "This lot to the Church, that to Satan consigned:
    And both of them utterly lost to mankind!"

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    nαzι depiction of Ven. Pius XII as ally of Jєωs Communists
    « Reply #4 on: May 22, 2012, 07:03:28 PM »
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  • Ironic how the Church did move towards commie policies after VII.

    I think it is no secret there has been some communist infiltration into the seminaries in the last 50 yrs.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 22, 2012, 07:05:19 PM »
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  • None of which detracts from the fact that National Socialism is an anti-Catholic political philosophy which must be resisted as firmly as Communism.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 24, 2012, 06:15:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: Klaus
    None of which detracts from the fact that National Socialism is an anti-Catholic political philosophy which must be resisted as firmly as Communism.
    None of which detracts from the fact that Communism is an anti-Catholic political philosophy which must be resisted as firmly as тαℓмυdic Judaism.

    Go away "klaus" you philo-Judaic troll.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 24, 2012, 06:51:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Klaus
    None of which detracts from the fact that National Socialism is an anti-Catholic political philosophy which must be resisted as firmly as Communism.


    I wish somebody would explain to me what it was, because I can't tell.  So far, the only thing that makes sense to me is that the nationalism part was a reaction to internationalism (what we're getting today with these "boundary-less countries) and the socialism was a reaction to capitalism, which was basically state sponsored usury (states enforcing usurious contracts) which we see some of the consequences or "punishments" of today, with bank bailouts, bankrupt governments and the people seeing their wealth bled out of them (working harder, for less money/your savings buying less and less).

    I don't see anything wrong with nationalism.  Although, it's my understanding that judaizers have cropped up in the past, who believed that their ethnic group was true israel and hence, only they had access to salvation.  In that sense, they rejected catholic universalism and embraced Jєωιѕн exclusivism.  But I don't see anybody doing that today, except maybe Jєωs, but I guess they always have.  

    There are folks who are basically atheists, who don't have much else to embrace, but race.  Sure, o.k., maybe they sort of make an "idol" out of it, but no more so than a atheist might make a god out of money.  Anyway, that's what zionism seems to be (basically atheistic Jєωs, with nothing but nationalism to cling to).  

    Socialism though, not much of a solution to state sponsored usury/capitalism.  In a just economy, usury would be illegal and punished, not enforced and rewarded.  Our trade policy, for example, would be designed to provide a family wage for the average working man (enough for him to provide for a wife and kids and still have time to take care of himself and spend time with them), not a trade policy designed to maximize profits for multinational corporations, with little to no regard for how it effects the workers.  









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    « Reply #8 on: May 24, 2012, 07:37:40 PM »
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  • Nationalism Socialism in itself is not opposed to Catholicism, although many versions of it are! The basic principles of blood and soil are not opposed to Catholicism. In fact they are Catholic, because the opposite is multiculturalism, métissage, and internationalism, and clearly these are not Catholic.

    The reason you can not find a specific definition of National Socialism is because it means different things to different people. National Socialism has never been a united movement! If you ask Herr Hitler, Herr Himmler, Herr Strasser, Herr Darré, and Herr Koch "what is National Socialism" you will get five different answers! And the National Socialism of Herr Himmler and Darré is really opposed to Catholicism, although with Hitler and others there is wiggle room.

    Many people forget also that National Socialism is primarily an economic ideology. The emphasis on race and nation serves the economy. But here also there is no precise answer to what National Socialism is! Herr Strasser and the rest of the NSDAP could not agree on the economy.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 24, 2012, 08:53:03 PM »
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  • I think everyone should be able to agree that usury is wrong (the catholic  church still teaches it is), that private property as opposed to communal property is not evil, that men should be the bread winners for their wife and kids, that a wealthy country should provide a "family wage" to its working men and that a powerful few shouldn't hog all the wealth produced by that country  for themselves.    


     

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    « Reply #10 on: May 24, 2012, 09:49:11 PM »
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  • I have apparently exceeded my allotted number of "Up-Thumb's" for Klaus, but I would up thumb this if I could.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #11 on: May 25, 2012, 08:22:23 AM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    I have apparently exceeded my allotted number of "Up-Thumb's" for Klaus, but I would up thumb this if I could.


    Well can you get over your boy-crush of the guy because there is no need to post it on every thread...

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    « Reply #12 on: May 25, 2012, 08:26:38 AM »
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    I wish somebody would explain to me what it was, because I can't tell.  So far, the only thing that makes sense to me is that the nationalism part was a reaction to internationalism (what we're getting today with these "boundary-less countries) and the socialism was a reaction to capitalism, which was basically state sponsored usury (states enforcing usurious contracts) which we see some of the consequences or "punishments" of today, with bank bailouts, bankrupt governments and the people seeing their wealth bled out of them (working harder, for less money/your savings buying less and less).

    I don't see anything wrong with nationalism.  Although, it's my understanding that judaizers have cropped up in the past, who believed that their ethnic group was true israel and hence, only they had access to salvation.  In that sense, they rejected catholic universalism and embraced Jєωιѕн exclusivism.  But I don't see anybody doing that today, except maybe Jєωs, but I guess they always have.  

    There are folks who are basically atheists, who don't have much else to embrace, but race.  Sure, o.k., maybe they sort of make an "idol" out of it, but no more so than a atheist might make a god out of money.  Anyway, that's what zionism seems to be (basically atheistic Jєωs, with nothing but nationalism to cling to).  

    Socialism though, not much of a solution to state sponsored usury/capitalism.  In a just economy, usury would be illegal and punished, not enforced and rewarded.  Our trade policy, for example, would be designed to provide a family wage for the average working man (enough for him to provide for a wife and kids and still have time to take care of himself and spend time with them), not a trade policy designed to maximize profits for multinational corporations, with little to no regard for how it effects the workers.


    Marc while Goebbels and some of the other NS leaders emphasized the socialist part of National Socialism Hitler saw the movement as more of a Mussolini-style fascist and anti-Marxist movement, even though Hitler also despised capitalism. Even Hitler endeavored to make clear that his style of socialism and Marxian socialism were very different, "True socialism, such as our movement, respects private property, Marxian socialism does not." And yes Hitler saw himself as a German nationalist.

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    « Reply #13 on: May 25, 2012, 09:14:57 AM »
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  • What is his premise in posting these pictures?

    Isn't it really that he thinks he is talking to nαzιs?

    Because Jєωs call traditional Catholics antisemites and nαzιs, simply because they are Catholic and believe it is an outrage to live in a Jєωιѕн dominated abortion society?

    To many such clowns, resistance to the malignant Jєωιѕн power, resistance to the Jєωιѕн attempts to corrupt Christianity is a form of antisemitism and nαzιsm.  

    They are on the side of those who would destroy our religion.  

    Just as they are on side of those who destroyed the shrine of St. Simon of Trent and took his body to some burial site.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 25, 2012, 09:55:07 AM »
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  • Even before Cardinal Pacelli was elected to the supreme pontificate, he made himself an enemy of nαzιsm. He said they "are in reality only miserable plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does not make any difference whether they flock to the banners of social revolution, whether they are guided by a false concept of the world and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition of a race and blood cult."
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.