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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2022, 01:05:43 PM »
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  • There are more women sɛҳuąƖly abusing children too. 

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    Offline epiphany

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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #16 on: May 26, 2022, 03:57:03 PM »
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  • There are more women sɛҳuąƖly abusing children too.
    Data, please.


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #17 on: May 26, 2022, 04:10:46 PM »
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  • what if the real issue is that too many normal men (ie: who are interested in women) simply don’t want to become priests because they don’t want to be celibate for life

    I think that's secondary.  It's due to a lack of faith and a loss of understanding regarding what the priesthood is.  When more than half of all Novus Ordites have lost faith in the Blessed Sacrament, well, why else does one become a priest other than to bring the Sacraments to souls? ... or, more recently, in order to get better access to prey on young boys?  Of the minority who still believe in them, they don't believe that they're necessary for salvation.  So WHY would you take on celibacy simply to be a counselor and standup comedian?  That's the problem.  But if men believed deeply in the meaning and the value of the Sacraments and therefore of the priesthood, many more would be making the choice of the priesthood over marriage.

    So THAT is the "real issue".  Prior to Vatican II, the US so many priests they didn't really know what to do with them, and many went off to the missions, because men understood and respected the value of the priesthood.  So with a surplus, why would you really need to open up the priesthood to married men?

    Plus, it's a filter.  Due to the celibacy requirement, a man would really have to be spiritually-minded and value the Sacraments and the priesthood much more than if they could also marry and not give up anything along those lines, i.e. have their cake and eat it too.

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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #18 on: May 26, 2022, 04:16:49 PM »
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  • Data, please.
    While I don't have the data, I do know that when I was young, one never, ever heard about women sɛҳuąƖly abusing anyone.  Today, it's not unusual to see a news report of this happening. 

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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #19 on: May 26, 2022, 05:20:19 PM »
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  • Many cases in New Jersey of female teachers abusing female and male students.  Sick. One of the most recent case involved a divorced teacher.  It’s upsetting to even read about this filth.

    https://nypost.com/2021/06/16/nj-teacher-who-raped-students-faces-three-new-accusers-report/

    Where is the anger from tax payers?   I believe New Jersey just passed it’s new sɛҳuąƖ grooming curriculum of little school children. 
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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #20 on: May 27, 2022, 02:15:17 PM »
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  • Many cases in New Jersey of female teachers abusing female and male students.  Sick. One of the most recent case involved a divorced teacher.  It’s upsetting to even read about this filth.

    https://nypost.com/2021/06/16/nj-teacher-who-raped-students-faces-three-new-accusers-report/

    Where is the anger from tax payers?  I believe New Jersey just passed it’s new sɛҳuąƖ grooming curriculum of little school children.

    I can never wrap my head around how a female can rape a male....

    Also, that case seems unusual, female teacher with a 14 year old male student....

    Any more data than one example?

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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #21 on: May 27, 2022, 04:08:13 PM »
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  • I can never wrap my head around how a female can rape a male....

    Also, that case seems unusual, female teacher with a 14 year old male student....

    Any more data than one example?

    "Seduction" seems like the more accurate term.
    14-year old, non-Catholic me wouldn't be calling it rape. Just saying...
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #22 on: May 27, 2022, 05:01:44 PM »
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  • Eastern rite priests can marry.


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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #23 on: May 27, 2022, 05:29:39 PM »
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  • Eastern rite priests can marry.
    Peace, LeMond, but you have it a little bit inverted.

    In the Eastern Rites (like the Byzantines, Ukrainian Rite, Chaldeans, etc.), married men can become priests, but priests cannot marry once ordained -- nor can they remarry in the event their wife dies. It's the same rules that the current Latin Rite has for Protestant ministers who convert and become Catholic priests. 
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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #24 on: May 27, 2022, 05:31:52 PM »
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  • Eastern rite priests can marry.
    I wonder if the Novus Ordo would have the same marriage laws for clergy that are in the Eastern Rites.  Would those who wish to be bishops one day be have to remain celibate?  Would marriage after ordination to the priesthood be forbidden?  Would a second marriage (after the death of a spouse) also be prohibited?  Would priests have to abstain from the marital act the day before saying Mass?

    Somehow, I doubt it.  Thus, your comment is irrelevant to the topic and nonsensical.

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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #25 on: May 27, 2022, 05:37:37 PM »
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  • Hot take: how about this?

    Publicly and ruthlessly execute boy rapists, bring back sane seminary standards and expectations & Priestly discipline, and keep the Western Tradition of unmarried priests.

    You know? Like the good ol’ days. :popcorn:
    “How can the ignorant teach others? How can the licentious make others modest? And how can the impure make others pure? If anyone hates peace, how can he make others peaceable ? Or if anyone has soiled his hands with baseness, how can he cleanse the impurities of another? We read also that if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch [Matt. 15:14]. But first correct yourselves, in order that, free from blame , you may be able to correct those who are subject to you.”

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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #26 on: May 27, 2022, 05:48:20 PM »
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  • Hot take: how about this?

    Publicly and ruthlessly execute boy rapists, bring back sane seminary standards and expectations & Priestly discipline, and keep the Western Tradition of unmarried priests.

    You know? Like the good ol’ days. :popcorn:
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #27 on: May 28, 2022, 10:55:10 PM »
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  • Peace, LeMond, but you have it a little bit inverted.

    In the Eastern Rites (like the Byzantines, Ukrainian Rite, Chaldeans, etc.), married men can become priests, but priests cannot marry once ordained -- nor can they remarry in the event their wife dies. It's the same rules that the current Latin Rite has for Protestant ministers who convert and become Catholic priests.
    Indeed

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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #28 on: May 29, 2022, 12:39:49 PM »
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  • Hot take: how about this?

    Publicly and ruthlessly execute boy rapists, bring back sane seminary standards and expectations & Priestly discipline, and keep the Western Tradition of unmarried priests.

    You know? Like the good ol’ days. :popcorn:
    There's a large chunk of dioceses and seminaries that would be ghost towns in 3 days. Especially because many of them are relying on older priests -- who have no discipline -- to not have to close half their parishes since some of them won't ordain a single priest either this year, or the next.
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    Re: Myth that Church should let priests get married
    « Reply #29 on: May 29, 2022, 01:39:47 PM »
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  • There's a large chunk of dioceses and seminaries that would be ghost towns in 3 days. Especially because many of them are relying on older priests -- who have no discipline -- to not have to close half their parishes since some of them won't ordain a single priest either this year, or the next.
    Wouldn't this be preferable to the status quo?

    Isn't there some scriptural warning not to worry so much about those who can kill only the body but, instead, worry about those who can kill body and soul?